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  1. #11
    Originally Posted by Dia100 Go to original post
    Yuma (the Chinese woman) drugged you so that your drugged mind would see her as Kalinag(? or some other demon) and you would see the six soldiers with her as demons with bows & arrows who shot at you during the 'dream' sequence. When you killed those guys with bows you were in reality killing her soldiers; when you killed Kalinag(? or whomever) you were really killing Yuma. So those 'demons' who vanished in puffs of blue smoke (or purple?) were really just Yuma's soldiers, that's why there were six actual bodies lying around after you finally killed Yuma.
    Yeah ok, but i had 6 x Yuma's Body, not some Soldiers, so they are sextuplet or what? LOL!

    Also i knowed that i can kill him after he took off, but decided not too, because he right and the Secret Ending also proofs it, we are the Psycho's not he, well he may be too, but we also gone out and kill and destroy everything, for apparently nothing...

    Well, anyway after that great Boss Battle in Shangri-La, i was disappointed anyway about the End, just another Outpost and then straight to the Palace and nothing, not what i expected after all...

    And also yeah, i'm disappointed also that the Palace not became a second Home with fast Travel, but well Game's finished, and i had emptied the Map before the End, so for me there is absolutely nothing left to do, not even a Chest to open... LOL!

    Well, i could strive the Land and simply extinct anything alive for fun, while i still w8 for the Ruby Pack that is also useless now too even if they finally deliver it...
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    Holy cow! Six Yuma bodies?! That's a funny glitch!

    I can sympathize with you being at the end of the game, even though I still haven't emptied the map, I'm thinking of starting over again from scratch. I have to admit that it was kind of a letdown that you just had to take care of the last three major characters and then you're done, with no sense of closure or hint at what should come next. Like, maybe Ahjay becoming the Premiere or Prime Minister of Kyrat (definitely NOT 'King') and settling down to lead the country into an era of prosperity (afterall, he liberated gold & ore mines left & right, so it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine him using that wealth to help the people of Kyrat, right?). With FC3 you saw the major characters rescued and there was definitely a sense of closure, but not so with FC4. You're kind of left hanging with 'Well, what comes next?'. I keep thinking maybe I did it wrong.
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    Yeah, well i suppose i know why this happened with the six Body's, it glitched even before, while in that last Sequence where it says Takeover Kalinag in the Dreamsequence it glitched somehow because it has not ended after killing it once, i was thinking its the way it was coded, but i died there because it looped somehow, so i probably killed Kalinag 5 Times there and then died, but after i respawned it ended after i killed Kalinag only once.

    So probably the Six Yuma's was there because i killed Kalinag/Yuma 5 Times in a Row then died and then killed it once again which then worked, funny glitch!

    And well i not rushed the Mainstory, i totally cleaned South first before going to North, then cleaned everything there including every Chest, so at the Time the Last Mission started everything was cleaned already, so there where nothing to do after the Credits...

    The only Thing left is a Location where the Mark is 20 Feet under the Floor under Water and unreachable, so that Location will not unlock, but i got an Update Yesterday, so perhaps it was fixed, i not checked that yet, well its at 99.99% actually, probably because i miss one Animal Log, but i decided to do the Coop Stuff, Map and Multiplayer then, which i finished now also too, so its 1000/1000 now, so even Achievement wise the Game is 100% finished for me.

    And yeah, the End is like "And now what next?" and "So that was it?" somehow its not really finished, also i done that Secret Ending even before starting the actual Game and what you get at the end is exactly the same, so indeed you can finish the Game in 10 Minutes if you want... Btw. It took me 86 Hours to clean and finish everything, it's ok, but definitely not the longest, It took me 156 Hours to clean and finish all in "Kingdom of Amalur Reckoning + all DLC's *PC" as a Comparison also KOAR was much more satisfying...

    And even if would like to see an FC5, i will not buy a UBI-Game again, especially not if they not evolve in Terms of Support and PC-Support, because it's most probably the last Game i buyed for Consoles, i will not buy a Xbone or a PS4 and instead switch to Steam till there are real next-Gen Consoles... I already tagged about 8 Games that i will certainly buy, the Releasedates are scattered all over the Year 2015 so i will have enough to play for sure...
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  4. #14

    Frustrated ending to campaign *spoilers*

    *Spoilers*

    Far Cry 4 is an amazing game, probably one of my favourites, but I have been left exasperated by the ‘conclusion’ to the main campaign. After spending 35 hours trying to right some of Pagan’s wrongs I finally made it up to his palace. After a brief cutscene I’m given the choice to kill him or let him live. As far as I was aware this was my only chance to kill him. Thinking ‘it’s now or never’, and not knowing how bad the future would be if I let him live, I pulled the trigger. Fin and credits roll.

    This wasn’t an ‘alternative ending’, it was just a jarring and sudden termination of the story. ‘What happens with the ashes?’ I thought in a moment of panic. Turns out nothing; you can’t scatter Ishwari’s ashes even if you later find Lakshmana.

    This is so frustrating. The game never tells the player that the only person in the whole of Kyrat who can get you to Lakshmana is Pagan Min. Pagan himself never says “if you kill me, you will never find Laksharma”. So the whole point of Ajay’s trip to Kyrat will never be concluded just because Min is dead. I guess my Ajay will just end up carrying the ashes around in his backpack for the rest of his life.

    I know what the developers were trying to do with the story but I think the ending was not thought through properly from the perspective of the players they had kept in the dark. Some players are punished for making the wrong choice when they weren't given the information necessary to make an informed decision..
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    Originally Posted by rixcoast Go to original post
    *Spoilers*

    Far Cry 4 is an amazing game, probably one of my favourites, but I have been left exasperated by the ‘conclusion’ to the main campaign. After spending 35 hours trying to right some of Pagan’s wrongs I finally made it up to his palace. After a brief cutscene I’m given the choice to kill him or let him live. As far as I was aware this was my only chance to kill him. Thinking ‘it’s now or never’, and not knowing how bad the future would be if I let him live, I pulled the trigger. Fin and credits roll.

    This wasn’t an ‘alternative ending’, it was just a jarring and sudden termination of the story. ‘What happens with the ashes?’ I thought in a moment of panic. Turns out nothing; you can’t scatter Ishwari’s ashes even if you later find Lakshmana.

    This is so frustrating. The game never tells the player that the only person in the whole of Kyrat who can get you to Lakshmana is Pagan Min. Pagan himself never says “if you kill me, you will never find Laksharma”. So the whole point of Ajay’s trip to Kyrat will never be concluded just because Min is dead. I guess my Ajay will just end up carrying the ashes around in his backpack for the rest of his life.

    I know what the developers were trying to do with the story but I think the ending was not thought through properly from the perspective of the players they had kept in the dark. Some players are punished for making the wrong choice when they weren't given the information necessary to make an informed decision..
    If you had been reading all the notes posted throughout the kingdom, there were hints/innuendos that there was something going on between Ajay's mother and Pagan Min. Yuma tells you about it at first but then when you enter Min's palace to confront him there are more letters - some from Ajay's mother telling Min "I love you." I think the designers tested your curiosity and willingness to know Ajay's story. By the way if you initially let Min live at the dinner table, you have another chance to kill him again when he leaves in his helicopter. Just shoot it down: You get to lay the ashes, find out your story about your mom, and then kill Min at the end.
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    Originally Posted by Outlier2004 Go to original post
    If you had been reading all the notes posted throughout the kingdom, there were hints/innuendos that there was something going on between Ajay's mother and Pagan Min. Yuma tells you about it at first but then when you enter Min's palace to confront him there are more letters - some from Ajay's mother telling Min "I love you." I think the designers tested your curiosity and willingness to know Ajay's story. By the way if you initially let Min live at the dinner table, you have another chance to kill him again when he leaves in his helicopter. Just shoot it down: You get to lay the ashes, find out your story about your mom, and then kill Min at the end.
    Yeah I found out afterwards there is a second chance to kill Min, and that would be the best outcome after laying the ashes, but, like I said, there is no way for the player to know this is an option beforehand. The whole reason of going to the palace is to kill Min, so when I had the opportunity to do so, I did! If Ajay just wanted to talk to Min then why didn't he just use the radio instead? Why kill all the way up to the palace?

    I was aware something went on between Ajay's mum and Pagan and I can accept not getting all the details about this if the player chooses to kill Min. But my frustration is with not being able to scatter the ashes and conclude the story, even though I've found the shrine labelled Lakshmana. I need closure lol!
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  7. #17
    I've mentioned this in other threads before, but the inconsistencies to the endings all around give me a heavy suspicion that none of the endings were supposed to be as they are in their current forms. Odd that the characters in the game will give you no end of grief for not doing what they wanted and yet not killing the biggest targets in the game compels not a peep from them. The fact that you can let Min fly off into the sunset as the biggest walking target in the game that all allies regardless of motivation want dead.... and not a peep for doing it?

    Let's also take something else into account here. The option to kill the one that you picked for the GP. You get to kill this person if you wish, but their is no story acknowledgement in the slightest for doing so. So effectively and story wise, you have to ether pick the religious nut that will plunge the region into the dark ages with a religious death grip or you have to choose little miss I-wanna-be-a-Columbian-druglord. The first mission that I had to pick ether of them they had made rather clear that they were both bits of psychopaths and that their had to be almost literally anyone better to lead.

    It's at this point and with a lot of other stuff in the game that I had a real big revelation that the entire game wasn't supposed to be this copy, paste, and edit job of Far Cry 3, but possibly another game all together..... I'll explain my theory yet again like a mad man on this one....

    So we really have three endings to this game right? The speed run ending, the kill Min ending, and the Min lives ending right? You let Min live and yet the game doesn't acknowledge it in the slightest ether? My theory on that one is that in all actuality their were supposed to be at least three endings and possibly a fourth. By default, the game assumes you kill Min story wise, so I think this is how it was really supposed to go.

    1. Ether GP ending you kill Min regardless, but the less brutal version is that you hand over control of the country to whoever you chose to run the GP.

    2. Not only do you kill Min, but as he tells you at the table, you also kill whoever you chose to run the GP and you take control of the country as the new GP leader and moral moderate.

    3. This one is kind of a tipoff from the speed run end and a lot of the game mechanics, but you instead JOIN Min and run the game as his new right hand man and successor. The end of this version is that you take the country after Min ether dies or decides to retire. As he said, it was always supposed to be you.

    I suspect that the speed run ending in the game was actually supposed to be an alternate beginning where you chose to side with Min and that development along that kind of gameplay was likely cut due to budget and/or time constraints.

    In the current state of the game, the "good end" is irrelevant if you're looking for the info that Min gives you if you let him live. Your father's journals actually tell you what happened on his side of all of this, the intro at the dinner table will let you know what happened from Min's side, and Willis will tell you what your mother did before she left.
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  8. #18
    Originally Posted by Outlier2004 Go to original post
    If you had been reading all the notes posted throughout the kingdom, there were hints/innuendos that there was something going on between Ajay's mother and Pagan Min. Yuma tells you about it at first but then when you enter Min's palace to confront him there are more letters - some from Ajay's mother telling Min "I love you." I think the designers tested your curiosity and willingness to know Ajay's story. By the way if you initially let Min live at the dinner table, you have another chance to kill him again when he leaves in his helicopter. Just shoot it down: You get to lay the ashes, find out your story about your mom, and then kill Min at the end.
    Fun fact. If you collect your father's journals, he outright explains that your mother and Min became a thing and that she had his daughter. He also states that he's coming to kill them. Willis outright tells you that your mother killed your father after his thing went down. The VERY BEGINNG SCENE OF THE GAME has Min outright explaining that they were a thing, that she loved him, and that your father killed your sister. The entire scene at the table in the end if irrelevant if you've been paying attention to the story at all. You can possibly miss the journals, but the opening scene and Willis are mandatory for game progression. So at that point no one is allowed to be surprised or really be confused.
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    Discussion-of-game-ending-(SPOILER-ALERT-Don't read if you haven't finished the game)

    Pegan min is a very interesting character, he's not your everyday antagonist... Rather he's a very rare kind who was filled with hate after Mohan eliminated his only daughter, that was the trigger to his madness which later on started to become his excuse for all this madness. That very reason is why I felt bad for the poor bastard after blasting his fleeing helli. As for Amita and Sabal, they're both right in one way, but arrogant no less. Amita wants to change the golden path ways to make Kyrat a better place, while Sabal wants to restore the golden path to what it was, while doing so he refuses to disobey the path of the golden path. I followed Amita to the end, while letting Sabal live when asked to eliminate him. Tho after the end, I visited Amita which triggered this little cutscene where she's forcing children to leave their homes to become warriors of the golden path. It was then when I was given an opportunity to kill her, well did I? Let's just say I stuck a flaming arrow up that *****.

    I think the real ending of FC4 is the alt ending, which can be accomplished in 15-20 minutes by simply waiting at the table where Pegan leaves you in the beginning of the game. Makes a lot more sense, Place Ajay's mothers ashes next to lakshana and get the **** outta here. Boom, no golden path.
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  10. #20
    First time posting here.

    Recently finished the game and really liked the ending and letting Pagan live. A few of my thoughts/interpretation:

    - I viewed Pagan Min as a ruthless tyrant who found redemption. That redemption was falling in love with Ajay's mother and having a daughter. From that point forward - he had one goal. Maintain control so he can one day give the kingdom to his lover's son (even if it was Mohan's son). So at the end of the game the kingdom is given to Ajay.

    - Is Ajay really Mohan's son? Ajay's mother fled with him at such a young age that perhaps he is really Pagan's son. Not sure if this is the case, but I do find it to be an interesting thought.

    - The civil war in Kyrat is not really about a tyrant vs freedom fighters. I see it more a battle between royalists and non-royalists (i.e. Golden Path). The 'bad guys' Ajay fights may not necessarily be defending Pagan, but fighting for their belief that Kyrat should remain a monarchy. They will defend that ideal with their life and do not necessarily need to like the king that is currently in place.

    - During the events in the game, how ruthless is Pagan? Yuma commented about her thinking that Pagan had gone soft. We know that the people who appear to have been killed in Utkarsh were actually killed by Pagan's body double. Perhaps his orders came from Yuma. When it came time to take care of Yuma, it felt like Pagan set her up. Pagan may have known that Yuma needed to go and realized that Ajay was the best person to do it. If Yuma had more or less taken control of the Royal Guard, Pagan may have been a prisoner is his own palace.

    - The ending is pretty open ended. Ajay has been given the kingdom and the Golden Path controls Kyrat. There appears to be little closure. Overall, I think this works. The future of Kyrat will be what Ajay makes of it. How does he choose to continue/resolve the battle between the royalists and non-royalists. What kind of leader will he be? As much as it may be great to see, any ending that ties everything up (a happily ever after for Kyrat and Ajay) would just not feel right.

    As stated at the beginning of my post, these are just some of my thoughts on the story/ending and understand that others may have come away with a different interpretation.
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