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    Discussion of game ending (SPOILER ALERT-Don't read if you haven't finished the game)

    I've read about people referring to 2 endings in the game - a good ending and a bad ending (depending on whether you shoot Pagan Min or not). If you shoot Pagan Min the game ends abruptly without you getting any information about your character, Ajay Ghale's, history or what happened with his parents. That's considered the "bad" ending. If you spare Pagan Min, he tells you what happened between your parents and that's the "good" ending.

    I just wanted to be clear about what happened with the parents. Is it true that Ajay's mother was sent by his father to spy on their sworn enemy Pagan Min but instead of spying on him, she had sex with him, fell in love with him, and had a kid with him? Ajay's father gets extremely angry, kills the child she had with Pagan Min, and then the mother kills the father in revenge? If that's the case, then in real life would that really be considered a "good" ending to know all that? I'm not sure if I would want to know my mother was a hore or that my father was a great leader/warrior that got humiliated, cuckolded, and ultimately killed by his wife.

    If you collected all of the father's journal entries, you'd know that it took a long time & effort to get them. You worked hard to find them in order to figure out his thoughts & what happened to him. And this is what you get? I kinda wish we could actually read what those journal entries had on them so we could get a feel for what the father was thinking. We did see a little bit of the mother's thoughts in her letters but I wish we saw more of what she was thinking too. I can't say I'd think highly of any woman who'd go for such a character as Pagan Min but maybe she had her reasons.

    So it's good to know what happened but in real life would you really want to know all that about your parents? Would it have been better to just shoot Pagan Min and live life without knowing?
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    I shot Min, and quite honestly it was because I was so disappointed that once you finally confront him, that's all it came down to. It just didn't make sense. The Royal Palace was pretty easy to take and hold, and you would think a guy that goes to the extreme of creating a body double and hiding on his mountain the whole game would be paranoid enough to at least have a strong squad of some of his best soldiers guarding his own house.

    Another thing that doesn't make sense is they linearly force you to shoot Noore, or witness her suicide, or choose Amita or Sabal and kill the other to set Kyrat on a new path, so why in the end would you even consider not killing Min? Leaving him alive would somewhat negate everything you'd done up to that point. You play a sucker that takes every command from Amita or Sabal, that let's junkies use you as a pin cushion, only to let the most ruthless person in the game live? Why? It's not like Min has successfully dissuaded you with any of the previous dialog, and I didn't see anything in the final showdown that was convincing enough either.

    Pretty much every main character in Far Cry 3 had a significant boss battle, but in Far Cry 4 it seems the real enemy is the big fire breathing bird of Shangri-La. I don't know, maybe they tried to pull a Spec Ops The Line on us and make us think we are wrongfully pursuing Min, but that again makes no sense because he's obviously a ruthless SOB and involved in heinous crimes like slaving civilians. It's a great game with a potentially great story, but the ending doesn't let it be.

    It's not the first time Ubi has botched a story ending though. It's not nearly as bad as Far Cry 2's story, end especially that horrible ending it had, but the whole game does a bit remind me of FC2 just because Ajay is so easily swayed.
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    I liked the "good ending", and that would be the ending where you shoot down the helicopter, taking out Min.
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    Originally Posted by Frag_Maniac Go to original post
    Another thing that doesn't make sense is they linearly force you to shoot Noore, or witness her suicide, or choose Amita or Sabal and kill the other to set Kyrat on a new path, so why in the end would you even consider not killing Min? Leaving him alive would somewhat negate everything you'd done up to that point.
    In my case I did all of Sabal's missions and when it came time to shoot Amita, I didn't shoot, and then she walked out the door and I never heard of her again. So I guess there's an option to spare her (and probably the same with Sabal). Another downside of the game is that I can't go back and do Amita's missions without restarting the entire campaign over. It took a long time & effort to get 100% completion, retrieve all the loot chests, letters, locations, wheels, etc. and I don't want to do it all again just to see a few different mission options. I was hoping to see the other mission options in co-op but I don't even know if that's possible (in the co-op games I've played I haven't seen any of the main campaign missions pop up).

    As for Pagan Min, one could say that your intention in the game was to see him out of power and/or exiled (not necessarily dead). Kind of like how George Bush gave Saddam Hussein a warning telling him to leave his country or the US would attack Iraq. Hussein refused but if you spare Pagan Min, he does say he's leaving & the kingdom is yours & he leaves in a helicopter. The thing is, if you kill Min right away at the dinner table, you wouldn't get to hear the story of Ajay's parents. I ended up doing the same thing trapezius1 did: I didn't shoot him right away at the dinner table, and he then explains the story of Ajay's parents so you get some sort of closure, but then when he gets on his helicopter and leaves, I shot the helicopter down and that killed him. So I kind of got the best of both worlds in that ending. It was still kind of a shock to hear all that about Ajay's parents though. Just before confronting Pagan Min, I read a letter from Ajay's mother to Pagan Min telling him "I love you." Gross! And it doesn't seem believable either - the wife of Golden Path's leader falling for that crackpot?

    I thought this was a lot better than Far Cry 2 but I just wish the ending was better (or at least better explained throughout the game). There were other boss battles against Yuma and another guy in a Shangri-La mission and I liked the mission to kidnap Paul "de Pleur" Harmon but I agree with you that there should have been a boss battle against Pagan Min. I also really wish there were more than one save point so you can re-play certain missions using different decisions (ie/ Amita vs Sabal missions and even to re-play the ending). I actually saw the different endings on YouTube since I couldn't re-play them in the game.
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    Well, I didn't kill Pagan, or Amita, nor was I given an option to seek out Sabal and kill him. I'd watched a video on YouTube that showed that if you spared Amita and let Pagan live to escape in the 'copter, then you would be given the quest to kill Sabal for Amita. After you kill Sabal (in the video), you return to Amita only to find that she's openly kidnapping the kids of villagers and forcing the kids to become soldiers in the Golden Path army (and threatening to shoot the poor villager parents if they resist). You get one more chance to kill her as she walks away from you and in the video, the player took the shot & killed Amita and the game ended. Like I said, I let Amita and Pagan go, but never got the call from Amita to kill Sabal, so I'm left kind of dangling here what with Amita & Sabal running around loose somewhere in Kyrat. Also, I can't get back into Pagan's house in the Palace; everything's locked up tighter than a drum. Discouraging because I wanted to see if I could visit the shrine for Ahjay's mother and sister again.

    What do I do now? I hate the fact that you can't have multiple saves, btw!!!
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    You can watch my youtube video showing Amita cant be killed or so it seems? In this version I sided with Sabal to save the Temple. After he orders AJ to kill Amita (you have no choice although with each killing if you dont pull the trigger it defaults to letting them go and live but after watching how Amita handles the Kyrati by enslaving them, she has to go. They also dont kill Paul DePluer which is interesting and you can see him in a cage at Banapur (see my other video).
    These factoids were discovered by others and not me, i just recorded them for you to see.






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    Thanks for the videos, Andy. At least now I know approximately where to look for Sabal, Amita, & Paul. I'd wondered what the Golden Path had done with him. I wish there was a way for Ahjay to take over the Palace as his own residence, but the game insists on making the Ghale house his home base. Thanks again.
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    I not killed Noore, Sabal, Amita or Pagan Min.

    Noore committed Suicide, i choiced Amita as Leader and let Sabal leave alive.

    Apparently i did kill that other Chinese Woman, but this was weird, because she drugged me, also after there was about 6 identical Body's on the Floor, why?

    Also i burned the Drugfield, rescued the Fabric but destroyed the Temple, so i choiced Sabal, Amita, Sabal, and then Amita as Leader, also i not seen the kidnapping the kids, instead i seen a Sequence where Amita brings the Girl in Security after i destroyed that Temple, i done that because the young Girl sayed something about not being free, so i destroyed it that she can be free... Later Amita wanted me to kill Sabal, but i let him go, he never showed off again so i suppose he left the Country?

    I supposed all those Choices would have some Consequences, especially because there was something like "Choices have Consequences" but nothing happened?!

    Also after i let Pagan Min fly away and after the Credits, nothing happened apart of a short Sequence with the Yogi Drug Dudes, where they said now i'm done and everything is peacefully again and asked if ti hang my Rocketlauncher to the Wall now and that i well earned a good sleep...
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    Well i killed amita i chosed sabal,spared noore, i spared pagan min, for me this is the best ending and the best far cry game of all time (Story,Characters,Animals,Gameplay mechanics)! unlike boring fc3 in that game the only good thing was vaas.
    So congratulation ubisoft you made the best far cry game (FC4).
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    Originally Posted by mnbvcxzaq23 Go to original post
    Apparently i did kill that other Chinese Woman, but this was weird, because she drugged me, also after there was about 6 identical Body's on the Floor, why? ...
    Yuma (the Chinese woman) drugged you so that your drugged mind would see her as Kalinag(? or some other demon) and you would see the six soldiers with her as demons with bows & arrows who shot at you during the 'dream' sequence. When you killed those guys with bows you were in reality killing her soldiers; when you killed Kalinag(? or whomever) you were really killing Yuma. So those 'demons' who vanished in puffs of blue smoke (or purple?) were really just Yuma's soldiers, that's why there were six actual bodies lying around after you finally killed Yuma.

    Originally Posted by mnbvcxzaq23 Go to original post
    Also i burned the Drugfield, rescued the Fabric but destroyed the Temple, so i choiced Sabal, Amita, Sabal, and then Amita as Leader, also i not seen the kidnapping the kids, instead i seen a Sequence where Amita brings the Girl in Security after i destroyed that Temple, i done that because the young Girl sayed something about not being free, so i destroyed it that she can be free... Later Amita wanted me to kill Sabal, but i let him go, he never showed off again so i suppose he left the Country?
    I also burned the drug fields and drug stashes, but chose to save the Temple. I ended up letting Pagan, Sabal, and Amita live, but thanks to Andy's video (in the post above mine), I knew where to find Sabal and Amita. I went back to the Temple and found Sabal in the process of having Amita's soldiers' throats cut because he thought I'd killed her and he felt that they were traitors. That kind of pissed me off that Sabal could be so ruthless with his own people and not even offer them amnesty, so after his little speech I killed him and the soldiers there with him. I then went to the Sherpa Yak Enclosures (see Andy's video above), found Amita and killed her, but nothing else happened and the soldiers with her didn't even bother attacking me. After that I went back to the Royal Palace, though I had to use my RPG in the Royal Fortress to blow an opening the last set of huge doors to pass through the Fortress to get to the Palace. I was then able to go back to the Palace and retrieve the last of Mohan Ghale's journals and walk through a part of the Palace from back to front. (I also found the goodbye letter Ishwari left for Pagan, nailed to a wall in the Palace.) I never found Bhadra or saw the cutscene where Amita says that she's sent Bhadra someplace safe where no one can find her. I assumed that Amita had the girl killed because in Andy's video, the map shows an icon in the river that is labeled Bhadra's Sleep or something like that. Sad that I couldn't save her. As for Noore, I let her kill herself and really didn't see any negative consequences for that. Didn't much like the woman from the start. :P

    Originally Posted by mnbvcxzaq23 Go to original post
    I supposed all those Choices would have some Consequences, especially because there was something like "Choices have Consequences" but nothing happened?!
    No, there doesn't seem to be any consequences if you allow Sabal and Amita to live; they're still running around in Kyrat and it's your choice whether or not you want to find and kill them or just let them be. No consequences one way or the other that I could see.

    Originally Posted by mnbvcxzaq23 Go to original post
    Also after i let Pagan Min fly away and after the Credits, nothing happened apart of a short Sequence with the Yogi Drug Dudes, where they said now i'm done and everything is peacefully again and asked if ti hang my Rocketlauncher to the Wall now and that i well earned a good sleep...
    I don't know if there are consequences for just letting Pagan, Sabal, and Amita live; I just decided that both Sabal and Amita had lost sight of the true goal of freeing the people of Kyrat from Pagan's tyranny and both had gone off the reservation with their zealotry. There's a video on YouTube that shows how to get a 'super-secret' new map area, which involves pulling out your RPG after Pagan takes off in the helicopter and shooting his helicopter down, then going and searching his body. But I have no idea what the 'super-secret' area is because I didn't know I could still kill Pagan after he took off, so ended up just letting him go. Turns out the guy who made that video didn't know either, even though he killed Pagan after Pagan took off in the helicopter. Who knows, maybe we'll see Pagan again in the next Far Cry game? (Lol)

    P.S. I did go back to Banapur and found the cliff with the cage holding Paul. I shot out the front of the cage and the GP soldiers killed Paul as he tried to stumble out of the cage. After seeing what he did in his 'City of Pain', I felt that the S.O.B. deserved a few bullets!
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