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i responded here like i said , i didnt wanna turn ya thread into what happens
I could responed with an explination but i wont because it leads itnot an arguement and thats not what i ever intend. but a few things if i maylol
Of course i dont think they go off this is just a silly remark and one im unsure was needed as you know full well that i dont think that. I also dont understand why you can never ever once take advice from a consumer without you making it into something thats its not. I am a consumer the insulting factor is something you cant provide fact for or try and make reason for if your structure is in the way you are working the recomended comes across as insulting then thats a problem that you should take on board. If all what you said was in the post above when saying who was recomended then it wouldnt be insulting because then the process would be known. Still it can be insulting to an indevidual when they havent been seen contributing to your game because whatever you want to say this game uses the fact people like building thats how the foundation works it uses people to create its own enviroment. Spin off s would say provides an enviroment but uses is more of a correct term.
All i am doing is what i have always done since joinning this forum and thats providing this forum with imput. Why dont you ever take the whole forum as a whole and all my post and use that as a tool to get what i like doing in here instead of just saying that i post always against these this thread. I dont just post post against this thread , i post some saying good things some adding other some ading rant some opinions. Its very typical of a company to point out someone bad points or make them bad points to gain advantage of what they are saying. As you can see i deleted what i said a few times to get the right point across so its not just pointless as to what want to say.
These dont have to turn into arguments or rows but i cant always be as wrong as you awlays try and point out , if i stopped posting the way i did then this would only add to your already suspisons that i am trolling. To point out that i never said anything when i was recomended is a lie , i actuall applaueded you for being decent so there ya go also if i am recomended and i dont say anything then it only goes to show that my concerns are never actually pointed towards any creator but to tc on ps4 in general.
If you cant see that putting some unactive person who built the tracks ages ago isnt going to get peoples back up then i am gobsmacked.
I really wish you would stop trying to spin what i am saying is towards other creator.
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If i am wrong then please explain why its a fact that these tracks are put across to other tcs for people to enjoy and its a fact that they come from other tcs where they are already been voted on by selected process by your company. So then its a fact that the bigger percentage tracks from tc should be given to other tcs but they are not. Which is a factual case from tc to tc shows that you are either incorrect on your judgements and i am correct in my statments or that you are saying that your company is incorrect for the scroing system they have at the moment. ( ones do get missed n tc but very doubtfull when they are from a well known builder
You cant make your own rules up as you go along , this track had 300 likes yet there is tracks that will have double that so people in tc think they are good so then other tc should think they are to , these are facts not personel choices i am speaking of. So on the grounds of your game providing me with a system to see whats good and what isnt , then on them grounds i am totaly with in my right to feel insulted and your choice of crossplatforming. People are telling you which are the better tracks and you are not taking any of that on board. thats how a person on this side sees it
maybe this should be put on another thread as i really dont want this to become a big thing on here its not right
Saying that please lets not make it a big thing haha... and i think sometimes you need to eat humble pie and say you could be wrong , i do sometimes and its called being human
There was a person once that thought he was always correct , didnt stand him any good lol
I do dissagree with you alot shifty and that because i think you make your own rules up as you go along and if people dont like it then they are wrong.. i cant be wrong when the facts you provide me within this game with say you are wrong. All i am doing is providing your opinion with the recomended based on factual evidence that say your opinions must be wrong. other tracks are liked more than the one chosen
infact what would solve all this and stop further missunderstanding would be a statement of the whole process of how the full process works , as we actually make the tracks it owuld be good to know how this all works if that would be possible.. then i cant moan at any processes i dont understand.
i wasnt moaning either j just imput and a view with added factual evidence
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so are you saying redlynx should only uplay picks tracks that have highest ratings or are you saying that you want more less known builders to get crossplatformed. i´m so confused.
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wrote out a massive analogy but itd might get me into trouble so for short..
In each debate i have had with the recommended they have pointed out that even with the little amount of likes the the scoring system is based on they can still crossplatorm tracks which is something that they keep trying to drumm across as to why they cant crosslatform new builders because of the low like and followers they have yet time and tiem again they show stick up for their choices not realising they are actaully saying that it then also doesnt matter if new builders track have low likes and low followers also. They cross platfomr what they want the scoring system has nothing to do with it yet the use this in refference as to why they cant have a section for new builder , even tho they did start to but i cant just stop posting like i do can i. that would seem like i was trolling.
Each debate has been a reveal of what they want to mould the reasons for not being able to have a recomeded section for specific new builders its changed from not being able to crossplatform not well liked tracks to whatever they want to deemed good by them selveseven if they are not well liked. They also have the support of the core fans has they side with everything they say. Basicly my debates uncover the truth that they can crosspaltform anythign they wish tey have the backing of many and its a personel choice not to have a section either crossplatform or tc for new builders yet new builders are being used to keep the game running . quality builder rearly build anything , monthly is not enough when you have builders creating weekly. This is a response to haarmes so just explainning as he asked , im not replying to cupcake up there..
my pointing out that they have crossplatformed one with small amunt of followers and likes and then them putting a case for it just shows that how much just shows that they obviously can crossplatorm anything they wish too without any fear. its just choice they dont wish to focus on the new builders within tc , its not part of their agenda in this new game they want to be liked on the ps4. Mean come on , sice when is it far that someone should have 7 uplay pics thats redicuous amount to then say well we dont have nothing to offer for new builders...come on thats so much brown nosing its unbelieveable lol..
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I am in no way trying to spin what you are saying into something it is not. I am merely responding to your posts as I understand their meaning to be.
Let's run through your questions and/or issues with Uplay Recommended with my honest responses.
Q) Why aren't there more new/novice builders in Uplay Recommended?
A) Because novice builders may not have the same skill set as more advanced builders. Advanced builders, by virtue of their experience with the editor, tend to have tracks that stand out.
Q) Why not focus on novice builders to increase the chances of them continuing to build?
A) This is a great suggestion, but one that does not really fit into the fundamental reasoning behind the Uplay Recommended feed.
Q) What is the purpose of the Uplay Recommended feed if not to encourage other builders to build?
A) While encouraging other builders to keep practicing and learning the editor, the purpose of the Uplay Recommended feed is to offer players who may not build a chance to see some of our favorite tracks from Track Central. Many people may not have a lot of time to delve into the whole of Track Central to find content that they enjoy. The Uplay Recommended feed is designed specifically to house content that we think most players can play, and will enjoy.
Q) Why would you add tracks from an inactive builder?
A) They were active when they made the track. A builder could literally create a single track that we don't see for 9 months, and if we find it, and enjoy it, it can make it's way into the Uplay Recommended feed. There is no time limit on when content should no longer be eligible to be considered for Uplay Recommended. A good track is a good track.
Q) Why aren't tracks with higher downloads always the tracks selected for Uplay Recommended?
A) The time that a creator uploads their track has a lot to do with how many downloads they get. If a track is posted at say, 2am from a builder in California, then the likelihood of them seeing any significant downloads may be low. This in turn decreases the likelihood of their track being moved to the most downloaded feeds, which basically reduces the chances to 0% that they will see significant downloads for their track. As I said previously, a good track is a good track. I understand that this is subjective, but we don't really look at download statistics when adding tracks to the list. We look at the quality of the track.
Q) Why don't you select better Uplay Recommended tracks?
A) Shogun and I are more than happy to admit that Uplay Recommended tracks are subjective, much like anything where people vote or make selections based on personal preferences. It is highly unlikely that anyone will look through every one of the picks from the last 25 drops and like all of them. There are tracks in the feed that I am not fond of, and ones that Shogun isn't fond of, but they are there because someone at RedLynx sees quality in the selection.
Q) Why don't you listen to fans and make the tracks they want cross-platform?
This is also subjective. What you like is not necessarily what I like, or Shogun likes, or Blue likes, or DJ likes, or mutetus likes, or ANBA likes. The name of the feed is exactly what it is, it's Uplay Recommended, Why Uplay Recommended? Because Track Central connects through Uplay services, and the team at RedLynx makes the recommendations. It is quite literally tracks that we recommend players play.
Q) What can I do if I am offended by your selections for the Uplay Recommended feed?
A) While we in no way aim to cause offense to any builder or player, we will continue to add content that we select to the Uplay Recommended feed.
Q) What if I do not like the content you are uploading to the Uplay Recommended feed?
A) We find content the same way that you do, by playing Trials. If you do not agree with our selections there is still a wealth of content available, quite literally at your fingertips, in Track Central. Uplay Recommended should not completely replace the other feeds in Track Central, but should be viewed as a supplemental feed that shows what kind of content is already available in the other feeds.
Q) What is the process for Uplay Recommended feed selections?
1) The track is uploaded to Track Central by the builder.
2) A Ubisoft employee plays the track, likes the track and adds it to the internal document that we use specifically for this purpose.
3) Our super awesome optimizing specialist optimizes the track for all platforms.
4) Blue records video if none is available and uploads it to the YouTube channel
5) I am sent an email with five of the selections from the list (step 2) and write an article
6) Uplay Recommended tracks are uploaded to Track Central on all platforms
7) Article is posted to the Trials portal and the forums, videos are made live, and social media posts are scheduled.
8) Return to 1
Now we can get into some of your other points that aren't exactly questions about Uplay Recommended.
1) I don't feel that I need to eat a humble pie about this specific scenario because I truly believe that I am correct in my view of Uplay Recommended as I was pretty much the sole person responsible for RedLynx Picks (the Uplay Recommended of Trials Evolution) for quite a bit. Uplay Recommended is the exact same principal as RedLynx Picks, the Community and Level Design teams at RedLynx would select their favorite tracks and skill games to add to a special feed for players to enjoy. The whole point is that we select tracks that we enjoy and share them with players.
2) There are a few rules for Uplay Recommended, and they rarely, if ever, change. You don't use IP that does not belong to a Ubisoft studio in your track (though exceptions can be made if we get an OK from other developers) & Ubisoft Employees select the tracks.
3) As far as my thoughts on Uplay Recommended goes in this instance, I am correct. Unless my supervisors tell me that the Uplay Recommended feed is not to be utilized in the manner of which it was originally intended -the showcasing of content as selected by RedLynx- then it will continue on it's present course of offering content recommended by RedLynx and/or other Ubisoft studios & affiliates.
4) In the 3 years that I have worked for RedLynx and worked on RedLynx Picks/Uplay Recommended I have seen a few people say that they don't like tracks that we selected, but you are honestly the only person I have interacted with whom has stated that the whole process is inherently flawed while it is, in my opinion, working exactly as intended. We can continue to disagree on this issue, but respectfully, I will not pursue changes to how this feed functions, or the nature of how selections are made on the opinions of a single individual.
Please don't do this. Though I understand your possible frustration it's not very helpful in a situation like this.
@All - I am not at the office, but tomorrow I will remove posts that serve no purpose other than demeaning the opinions of another. If it is bad, I will also issue infractions. If you don't agree with he or I, please state why. While I do not agree with funktastic- on this issue, I WILL give him the same respect that I would like if I were in his place.
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Thank you once again for shifty for the lengthy response and on your own time is really appreciated.
As a whole when ever i post this is posted in a context of being open and in a friendly manner however it may first seem. Where you can across in terms of being professional which is understandable i may use terms that dont exactly portray my intent correctly but im not in this line of work so i speak more commonly and use term which may seem incorrect. like insulting , was just a picture i was trying to portray. As i was in the middle of making tracks and was annoyed at the time with it this mad eme feel that way when reading a track that has had its time to shine has past and all in tc now have been passed aside. I did not know that a back catalouge is created of other tracks and how am i suppose to unless we have discussed this before , also like i have said previous and last week i think your judgements are spot and dont think dissliking one choice out of 5 was all that bad. I actually like mostof the tracks.
There is alot that that has cleared up and shone light o a few things i querey. While some done care or seem to understand thinsg in tc i dont. There is lots i just dont understand , how one track that is really stupid to me with floting stuff and so forth and not even any decorations can get lots and lost of likes so i know this is not a rule to go on as a whole but what does make me concerned and this is the most part of my post is that as much as you say recomended is not for this which from what youhave said previous and what you have said now i totally understand and have something to reffere to if i dont understand and dont have to seem like asking a question is wrong. But whati dont understand is if all this is done for builders and also people who dont build how come not effort is taken from this somewhat and given to encourage building.That is why i post regarding these selctions and mainly about ps4 choice , i didnt say i never liked the track today i actual said he makes some good tracks which pppl ignored again. I just dont understand why the somewhat careless atitude is towards new builders.
I did actually post on your thread again but hopefully sorted it out with muscle , if i said anything wrong then fare enough but dont think i broke any rules but if muscle did dont really blame him either i can understand why ppl get annoyed of my repeated posted about the same thing , just wished they would give me chance to explain rather than jump on me everytime i say something its like a vicuous circle. No harm taken in the end dispite quick judgement in post so if muscle said anything then its my fault dude im not the easest person to get along with in text and if i did anything then like i said my bad i take full responsibility of it all except for that guy on here. Hes been posting things like that for no reason whats so ever for awhile just to be annoying without reason or without any constructive purpose of it. even in my custom track thread he was posting annoying stuff for what reason is beyond me as i have never even spoke to the dude , well once when i told him to stop posting things on my custom track thread But i dont have any grivence really with muscle just quick jugemental reponses when being jumped on.
There is no need for me to post anything really negative on the thread now which is good because i will reffere to the above , infact will save it. Sometimes i wish people would not read my post and take them all that serious to a point they bother them . Im wasnt ever giving up building i was just trying to paint a picture other than thousands of words. The end of the day you have your job to job , i like this game i would hate not being able to build a track never mind what i say when being annoyed. This game is awsome , i do however think sometimes i might just take it alittle to serious my self at times. Suppose it is for me as it has become my main hobbie at the moment and to be honest i think i am good at it and it fits me somehow , no idea as im the kind of guy who use to going drinking everyweekend , popular guy of the crowd so to speak. Totally not my thing and if i told some of my mate that i played this they would give me proper digs i would never let it down
i know its a lenghty response also and dont expect a reply i also want to add that although we dissagree alot and quick responses happen you have given me alot of patience and far more than some would have. Your good at your job bud and although it may seem this isnt appreciated it is alot of people would have just given up and banned me or ignored me. I can totally see were my posts annoy you and you have been very patient with me through out the legthy debates and if you like arguemets that has accured. If i was a mystery shopper you would get top marks , my misses did for where she works but shes a real pain in the backside. lol
again cheers for you response
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I may regret adding to this, but we can try anyway.
I love uplay recommends. Love it. Without reservation. Do I sometimes think that there are better tracks out there? For sure. For instance, I would love to see S3quence1 : Temptation in a uplay list (I still love that track.... a think it is by Supaflyy), but I am not going to be disappointed in not seeing it - I know it, play it, enjoy it, so if others don't, well, thats unlucky for them, and for Supaflyy, but you get that. I will tell people about it, and maybe it will be picked one day... or something else he does.
I want Uplay recommends to be a home for the things that catch the eye - they may not be the best, but they do something new and interesting, or do it exceptionally well - crash county was a great example. I don't want it to be a place to encourage lesser builders, unless they really are good enough to be there. The cream will rise to the top...... with or without Redlynx assistance. If Uplay recommends was to overlook the TO5 tracks because they were known builders, that would be a travesty of the system.
Shifty - thanks for doing your stuff. People will beat you up occasionally, but keep fighting the good fight.
Everyone else - Ride on peoples....
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Haven't we had this same conversation like three times before?
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dont regret anything dude , your entitled to your opinion and thats all you gave and thats what i give. People voice thier opinion because of certain reason, to find answers , or to just interact in the world they are in , whatever opinion you have and i agree with alot you said also is simply that. Does your opinion mean more than mine or anyones , nope does it mean less ? no yet this is what some are trying to portray and stop just because i have an opinion and voice this frequently for a purpose of the maximum also just because people my not understand me which i can also understand to a point but gives no excuse for peoples ignorance. They can always ask what i was meaning as someone in this thread did instead of jumping down my throat just because they dont understand my post or may take it the wrong way. Did you do any of this , nope so there is no need to regret voicing an opinion and any thread becuase thats all you gave in a thread which was made to be deabted upon.
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not on the topic which this was about no i have not had this discussion before and it wouldnt have to be so hgihlighted if it was just left bewtween one consumer to a representative of a company but it never stays that way and constructive posts are never added only personel preferences of whether my posts are liked or not which should not be classed as opinions hence things like this going haywire on threads that should not be for that purpose thats why i replied sepeartely because peoples post are always about preference. Same goes for some other peoples post that i dont like or is not my cup of tea. I dont take it upon my self to tell them i dont like what they are saying.
If people stopped for a moment , considered the fact that these are opinions and ones voiced to find the meaning of something hence its purpose in the first place then all this would be avoided yet people still are unable to control their own personel judgements and preferences which should not be a factor within opinions and the search for answers to better ones self at something they want to achieve the maximum in. This topic about tracks being recommended out of the blue and a few months old has not been disscused hence my surprise in a track flowing in from nowwhere when there is people building every single day still in tc and get nothing. There is a guy who put track after track after track yet ok his tracks are not brilliant , but they must hold some value for some people or they would ot be getting over 500 likes. Like the ninja tracks these hold value in there own way , does that mean because they are not of a trial quality they should not be noticed or given any encouragement . The way i see it if ppl continue to build tracks in tc whatever then this company should find away of rewwarding the ones who infact keep this game actually running which it doesnt.
I agree recomended should mostly be for high quality tracks , yet the ones that actually provide this game with its solid core future of the tracks that continue to be made for people to play be it they are rubbish or not , why is nothing ever given to these ppl Its ok for us to sit here high on our stools saying well we can make deent enough tracks , what about the gamers who feed tc with its content so high quality builders have the chance to make one a month and then reap the rewards. MY son left this game , his mate hardly remember it , i tried to get my son to build a track trying to see the benhfits of what he can gain from it personely, all he was interested was in what he could get from the game and his answers was nothing becuase he couldnt build so well.
i am really sorry i speak alot no need to reply dude as i understand there is loads but thats how i communicate
cheers