At the risk of this being locked straight away, I want to get a couple of things off my chest.
The thing I want to say is that, shifty, you can't just keep locking threads where people are venting their anger. Well, obviously you can, but I don't think it will make any difference. People will just make new threads, or post their hate on other threads. That guy was/is an idiot. And I agree that there are other ways of going about venting your anger, but... You can't just lock threads and hope that it goes away, because it won't.
Which brings me on to my next point. Shifty, you've admitted that you have a rough estimate of when MP will be released, but won't say anything until you have some info about WHAT MP will include. I think that this is the absolute wrong way to go about it. We don't want to know what's new at this point. We'll just be happy with a rough estimate of WHEN it will be released! Also, if you don't make the date and have to delay it, I don't think that people would get angry. Games are delayed all of the time and people don't get angry about it. Fusion was delayed, wasn't it? Did RL get any hate over that?
Shifty, I know that you personally aren't responsible for the lack of information, and that you can't give the information if you're not allowed to. But you're around the forums, so surely you can tell to the powers that be that there is a hell of a lot of negativity around fusion because we're not being given enough info.
I just want to say once again that a lot, and I mean a LOT of negativity will die down if we get a very rough estimate of WHEN MP will be released. You don't have to say it will be released on the 1st of November (for example), just something like "we expect that MP will be released before the end of the year" or "..... at the start of the new year." Again, we don't care WHAT has been changed/improved at this point, just WHEN (roughly) it will be released.
Like Shifty said, there is no new information that we will be sharing about the MP at this point. If you think the people who we speak about the community don't know that people want information about MP you are wrong.
So no new info, you can ask for it but it's not coming this weekend. Don't be surprised on Saturday and Sunday as well when we say no new info.
Thanks
Gold Badger...... just gold.
I fully agree with the first post, and I think we all know that the community guys would love to be more transparent, but that's just the way it is at the moment. Until Anba's ducks of fury deem it time, we are not going to hear much.
I did have to laugh in the stream the other day when the comm guys were talking about what was better - live competition or leaderboards. Leaderboards to me are just training - you can rip out a fluky run with all the best timesavers if you grind long enough, but the real legends can do it all on demand - Blaze, End of Assembly, Xrotto.... I want to watch their mutliplayer championship games.... It's paris games week next week, and I would love to be watching triallist's battling like last year.
When it lands, it would be great to have a leaderboard based on skill ranking too as opposed to number of games played - Start with a ranking based on your leaderboard position maybe then every match works for your skill rank... I guarantee my rank would be much lower than my current leaderboard position!
Do you remember when the DLC was delayed by 3 hours?Originally Posted by S-Wallis Go to original postI do and it's painful!
I was one to push for full transparency when I joined the project (and the recommendations were "no date"), but I gave date at the beginning (for PC principally) and even time of the day for DLCs! I changed my mind quickly.
So, no date except: when it will be ready.
great way to start your post with calling people names swallis
anyway
we don't need a date atleast not a specific one atleast, we do need info so that we can tell if we are making ridiculous guess'
i think some people geniuly believed that mp would be released in the first month after release, and even while i thought that was a silly guess, i couldn't really tell him that because my guess was just as silly even though i thought it would take several months
the only reason my guess changed is by the passing of time(well it still the same because i don't have any info to make it more accurate, not because i recieved new info, so its still wrong)
now delays, yes they will create dissappointment and people might get mad, but in the end they will know that it was done to make something of higher quality instead of something fast buggy and bad
now on the other hand people have been mad,trolling , asking for more info for pretty much everyday and the community is as bad as its ever been , not that its all bad
in the last thread of previous thread shifty also said redlynx had to announce mp because its a core feature, now i didn't value mp at all when i purshased the game because i don't value things that aren't in the game when i buy it, if i have a good idea about what it will be i might
on the other hand its a core feature so i should value it right?
now if i did value it, i would feel ripped of by now and would be very mad, because i didn't get it with my best guess and even worse i'm just as clueless as before, the trust i put in redlynx would be gone
i still don't know how to value mp or tell people what they will get when they buy the game
also in previous thread wilppe made a post about that people are making wrong assumptions and i pretty much completly aggree with his post , but the way i also see it is that people are doing so because they can't make any better ones, we can't say they do because we don't know it either
the way i see it is that because people didn't get enough info they get burned by it and i see many angry posts on the forum because they made the wrong assumptions
and these issues could have been avoided with the right kind of communications with the customer
Can't say I was happy to see basically the same thread the day after the other one was locked, but I (regardless of what people think) don't just lock threads or remove posts because I don't like them.Originally Posted by S-Wallis Go to original post
The previous thread about this was not locked due to criticism about MP, or criticism about the lack of information from us about MP. Look, at the VERY least, you have Shogun and myself on the Community Team. We are Trials fans first and foremost who were lucky (and hard working?) enough to find ourselves working for RedLynx. We know what info you guys want because it is the same info that we would want to know.Originally Posted by S-Wallis Go to original post
We have meetings at least 3 times a week where we go over key community goings-on, and the first thing said by either Mr. The Shogun, Blue or myself is "we want Multiplayer Info". It's usually Shogun who says it because he is our defacto leader, and because Shoguns are in charge.
That being said, the previous thread WAS locked due to this;
As you can see, the thread (at only 2 pages) was nearing in at double digits worth of insults. These are not insults directed solely at RedLynx, Ubisoft, or employees of those companies, but insults directed at other forum members after numerous attempts to explain that we are all about criticism and feedback, but insults are against the rules and aren't going to be tolerated.In fact id say you might even be trying to show them that you would be a star in their company.....moron
I dont care about business I care about getting what I was promised you pompous tat
maybe they are mad because they think you are a bunch of flakes
i think the person(s) that told him not to share any info is part of the cancer that is ruining redlynx and the community
Get a grip ya plonker and dont post here again until you have something worth sharing with people.
Here insult ****, *******s, idiots
you banned me Redlynxofficial _ twitch .... you'll pay the price
You are definitely an ******* ... and Eno ... young and stupid!
Hello there, this is only my second time on these forums and i'm sorry to say your coming across as an absolute *****.
If you "venting anger" includes things that break the forum rules that are posted in nearly every category then they will 100% absolutely positively without a doubt be deleted precisely because they break the established forum rules. Criticism will not be removed unless it breaks the rules.
No, this is incorrect. I know most of the details about MP, but when this information is allowed to be made available to the public is not in my hands, or those of En0, Shogun, Blue or anyone else you see on the forums.Originally Posted by S-Wallis Go to original post
Trials Fusion was delayed 1 week on PC, yes we got some negative feedback. DLCs have had issues and while being as transparent as possible about the efforts to solve those issues, we caught a lot of hate.
As I said earlier in this blinding wall of text, we do let people know that MP Information is super important and that we want approval to give it. They are working on things on their end, and... well, that's all I can really say about it.Originally Posted by S-Wallis Go to original post
I hear you, man, and our higher-ups know how you feel as well. I'm not throwing anyone at RedLynx or Ubisoft under the bus here either. We all have goals and the people who do have this information and are in charge of this information are working their butts off to get it all together and presented. It just hasn't happened yet, and I currently can't even give you an exact date on when we can get info to you guys.Originally Posted by S-Wallis Go to original post
The last time I said "soon", in regards to MP, I meant it in terms that everyone would agree was "soon". That didn't happen, so I am going to refrain from saying "soon" because things change and all it does when I use the word is increase the level of agitation for everyone involved.
TL/DR
Keep your criticisms and feedback free of rule breaking stuff and I don't care what you post. Tell us that you think the Pit Viper is a piece of crap, the tracks are unoriginal, that you don't like the game. It's what the forums are here for. Insults and threats.... Nope.
Thanks everyone for your replies.
Sparky, you're right, I shouldn't have stated the thread with name calling... But that guy is toxic. Every single post of his posts have been insults and rage. I'm sure we've all insulted people and raged once or twice, but it gets a bit much when it's every single one of his posts.
En0, I remember when the dlc was delayed too. Painful! But I think that's different. We were expecting dlc on that day, and it just wasn't there. Actually, I think what made people angry was the fact that people who didn't buy the season pass could buy and download it, but those of us who put our faith in fusion as soon as it released by buying the season pass couldn't download it. I brought fusion and the season pass on XB360, XB1 and PS4, so it annoyed me that I'd spent all of that money and couldn't download it on any of them, yet people who didn't buy the season pass could.
But I think it would be different if you said "mp coming in December" then you find out a week before release that it was going to be delayed and simply said "sorry guys, mp delayed." As long as it's not delayed on the same day that it's meant to be released. But as I said, we, well, at least I, don't want a firm date. I'll just be happy to know whether it's this year, or at the beginning of next year. But, I know that's not going to happen, so I'll stop.
Shifty, thanks for your post, it was very informative. Badger, lol! Your first post made me laugh.
Finally, I've said what I wanted to say, and received acceptable replies, so feel free to lock the thread before if does become another place of hate posts.
I would be satisfied with info like:Originally Posted by S-Wallis Go to original post
a) MP will be released in 2014
b) there is a chance of MP release in 2014
c) MP will be released in in 2015
or something like "we will give you some new info about MP next month" and by "some new info" i dont mean release date, it could be just SOME info (number of players, voting for next map or host select). Dont get me wrong, i understant that you maybe dont know release date/month yet, but like one month window for small piece of info should be doable.