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    I think it has some to do with the settings we have visited. In both American Revolution and the Caribbean the British represented the establishment. And the templars are typically more embedded in the establishment while the assassins are more rebellious.
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    Um, This Guy:



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    Where there is darkness, there is light. You can't have one without the other. So no country is devoid of Templars or Assassins. You might get rid of one for a short while, but they'll come back ... and in greater numbers. Only way to kill one off is to kill off both or to bring in a third party to help kill off one ... but then you'd have to hope the third party doesn't turn against you.

    Of course there's English Assassins. That's like assuming there are no German Assassins or Templars because we don't see them or there's no Chinese Assassins or Templars in Connor's/Arno's day because we don't see them. Where one is, you can be sure the other is close behind.
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    On another note, the Welsh might have discovered America before Columbus. Perhaps even the Jews came over prior to the fall of the Roman Empire to escape persecution. One tribe (don't recall which one) has many similar beliefs to the Jews which is rather abnormal when you look at other tribes. Part of the reason why Jefferson sent Lewis and Clark west was to look for evidence of the Welsh and Jews besides mapping out the land a bit and looking for British and Spanish encampments. Given that there is a tribe in the Mississippi River area that has boats that are oddly VERY similar to the Welsh, it's too coincidental if they didn't come here prior to Columbus. DNA tests so far have disproved one tribe's ancestry being Jewish, but as far as I'm aware, the Welsh connection hasn't been disproven. That's not to say either the Jews or Welsh didn't come to America long ago. Maybe the local tribes killed the men and took the women. Then the only DNA evidence we might have today might be mitochondrial DNA besides the odd story ... or boat. Also possible those lines just died off. Disease could have easily wiped out entire family lines. Small pox pretty much wiped out a large part of many tribes. So we'd have to DNA test bones and not necessarily living people. An expensive endeavor so not likely to happen.

    The show America Unearthed (airs on H2/History 2 and will premiere their new season shortly) has quite a few episodes that interlinks into the Welsh/Jewish discovery of America. Rather interesting show even if it's a bit ... tin-foil hat conspiracy at times. Granted, that's many shows on History anymore. Ancient Aliens, In Search of Aliens, etc. Everything's a conspiracy. I watched the show when I caught the Meriwether Lewis episode (since he's my cousin). I can certainly see a game with Connor and Meriwether Lewis. The guy's death was really strange.

    It's pretty funny what we learn in school only to find out what really happened later. History gets really truncated in school, but that's not unexpected given budgets keep getting reduced and the number of kids keep going up. You can also only learn so much in a school year. Can't learn everything. Such a shame they teach a very poor version of history, though. By the time you get out of school, like half or better of what you learned of history is wrong in some way.

    Only thing that's for certain is the native tribes were here first. So does it really matter who discovered the Americas? Columbus didn't. Leif Erikson didn't. The Welsh didn't. The Jews didn't. Funny how we want to say Europeans discovered America first when they didn't. Although now science seems to think there were two land routes: one from Asia over the Bering land bridge, and the other from Europe going east. The ice might have been so far south it created an ice bridge that lasted long enough for a few groups to travel across it. That would have let two groups settle in the Americas and branch out eventually joining in the middle.
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    Originally Posted by Animusaurus Go to original post
    Damn, was thinking that Jack the Ripper London would be great, pretty dark and such, fighting guards with batons and swords...

    But eh, I'm not sure.
    Originally Posted by Animusaurus Go to original post
    They might be able to draw a background around the victims, they were undercover Templar members or agents, they were all prostitutes, maybe they spied on enemies of the Templars through that.


    Im just saying, the murders could of been committed by a Assassin, and made to look like normal murders committed by a serial killer.
    I'm going to shut this idea down fast. What Jack the Ripper did was freaking awful. He slit their throats and their mutilated then bodies afterward. He even removed the uterus from one of his victims.

    I don't care if the series is fiction and obviously invents it's own stories around real life characters and makes them possibly a bit more evil than they really were but to suddenly twist a person who mutilated women's bodies POST-murder and make him a HERO and to suddenly paint the victims as evil is horrific. In fact, we had a Ripper-ish character in AC2 killing women and Ezio had to kill him. IF Ripper was in the game, he'd be a side mission and you, as the protagonist would kill him. In fact, making Ripper a Templar would basically destroy all pretenses of giving them a fair depiction with their beliefs/ If anything, even if a London game featured a Templar, it'd be neat to see the Templars kill Jack if he's going to be in it at all.

    But dear god, do not make him a hero for what he did.
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    They actually made an anti-jack the ripper in ac3 mp: http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Joe

    "Joe" was believed to be a psychologically unstable mercenary who murdered civilians in the streets of New York, but was in fact an extraordinary member of the Assassin Brotherhood, with justice as his primary motivator, killing those who abused women.Since he avoided daylight, Joe always moved during the night, instilling fear into the populace. Since it led to him gaining such an infamy, his name was only ever spoken in hushed tones. However, since his true name was known to none, he gained the moniker "Joe", after one of his Templar victims screamed out the name before he struck them down.
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    I think Jack the Ripper might be too much - If anything there is Spring-heeled Jack from penny dreadfuls. Jumping from rooftop to rooftop and all that.
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    Originally Posted by BoBwUzHeRe1138 Go to original post
    I'm going to shut this idea down fast. What Jack the Ripper did was freaking awful. He slit their throats and their mutilated then bodies afterward. He even removed the uterus from one of his victims.

    I don't care if the series is fiction and obviously invents it's own stories around real life characters and makes them possibly a bit more evil than they really were but to suddenly twist a person who mutilated women's bodies POST-murder and make him a HERO and to suddenly paint the victims as evil is horrific. In fact, we had a Ripper-ish character in AC2 killing women and Ezio had to kill him. IF Ripper was in the game, he'd be a side mission and you, as the protagonist would kill him. In fact, making Ripper a Templar would basically destroy all pretenses of giving them a fair depiction with their beliefs/ If anything, even if a London game featured a Templar, it'd be neat to see the Templars kill Jack if he's going to be in it at all.

    But dear god, do not make him a hero for what he did.
    I must say i think i was wrong, as what he did was terrible, and i think i should recount my statement.

    Spring heeled jack sounds brilliant though.
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    Originally Posted by LoyalACFan Go to original post
    Honestly if they ever make an English AC game I hope they stay away from Jack the Ripper, or at least relegate him to a side quest. He's just not that interesting TBH. So he killed a few women in Whitechapel; that's awful, sure, but it's not enough to carry an entire game. A MUCH more interesting story would involve the corruption and dissolution of the British East India Company. THERE'S a real AC-style conspiracy for you.
    Plus they found out who he was recently (some Polish immigrant), so the mystery is gone.
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    Originally Posted by LoyalACFan Go to original post
    Honestly if they ever make an English AC game I hope they stay away from Jack the Ripper, or at least relegate him to a side quest. He's just not that interesting TBH. So he killed a few women in Whitechapel; that's awful, sure, but it's not enough to carry an entire game. A MUCH more interesting story would involve the corruption and dissolution of the British East India Company. THERE'S a real AC-style conspiracy for you.
    This!!!!!!
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    every good villain has to be British
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