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Alright funktastic, I read all your posts, and I get what you were initially trying to say, but now you are coming across as a whiny *****.
Things you need to get straight:
- Good is good and mediocre is mediocre. There is no "this track is mediocre, but since he is first starting out it's great!" The quality of a track is subjectively judged based on the opinions of good riders, and anyone who can appreciate good decoration; not on how long someone has been building for.
- Featured content MUST reach an acceptable level of quality. Since there are quite a number of people making truly incredible works of art and gameplay across all platforms, the quality standard is set very high. Deal with it.
- The same people may get featured in both the UPlay Picks, and the Featured Builder sections. This is because they are better than everyone else. Those who are the best deserve the recognition. It is part of the incentive to BE the best. If you don't like it, work at it until YOU are the best.
- You say all the featured stuff is the same. I am here to tell you that it is most definitely not. Themes between cross platform tracks have been markedly distinct. Driving lines can be differentiated by any competent rider, and are often vastly different with varying levels of difficulty. Each individual builder has a unique style, generally developed from riding style and obstacle preferences. These make for dynamic, interesting, and distinct works that have the PRIVILEGE of being featured within Trials Fusion.
- Being featured, or having a track being made available to all platforms is an honour. Not all will receive this. Not all will be capable of attaining this. That is LIFE for you.
- Generating user created content in a game like Trials should be done, and is done by most, for enjoyment of the process. Like anything in life, if you do something for the credit to be received upon conclusion, you will end up sorely disappointed. Enjoy building for yourself, and the recognition will come in it's own time.
- I checked your YouTube. You are starting to make decent tracks. They are not up to the standard of being 'Featured Builder' material. Your driving lines lack flow, and your decoration is at times monotonous. That said, you have developed some interesting ideas and realized them well. Keep improving as a rider, and keep pushing your limits as a builder and you have the potential to create quality content.
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Firstly i understand shifty as i am sick of speaking about it but feel i had to reply as it is my right to " whinny " as someone calls.
You seem to have taken everything i have said and either missunderstood it or just spun it , If you read my original post i said what an opportunity gone to waste , and that i was i no way saying top quality people should not have a place in fact i said that was great. I said that why do we have to se them over and over again and if i remember i was very respectfull so i am unsure as to what is so hard to understand ? I place for top builders and a place to keep new builders encouraged why is that complicated to understand. Lets be frank , track central is awful ( ps4 ) and it is no place to keep someone who want to grow within the game amused. I was saying what is wrong with a place to give people some reason to want to carry on. Why do people point out you have to do it for yours self. thats a pile of poo and we know it yes of course the interest has to be thier and fondness of building. All i was saying was that i dont see what good another place for people who have already been featured ( said so many of times ) to be featured again. I was thinking of the community my self too as i am part of that but as someone points out and wants to get personal then thats called whinney.
To be honest i dont really care what cheveron things as if thats all the response i get from actually thinking of the community i am part of my self then its not worth listening too. I mea since when did i ask for any information on my tracks. If so i have a place for feedback as so many others do.
Chevron , i am unsure as to why you thought to mention my tracks or not understand anything i was saying maybe your part of the loop or so forth or just want to have a poke into a debate that is part of community and forum life. Then again you did show just how you handle things did you not. My work is of a 5 months period , i do not expect to be fantastic and you are completly worng about there isnt anything good about mediocre , what the hell are you talking about. do you think football players or actors and so forth just come across when they are all brilliant , no they are looked at a lower level. You obviously dont see any potential in things unless it states fantastic. I took your comment about being whinny as the same as i say to my kids when i dont know what to say about a question they are asking. Now you need to know this straight. , your approach to people who are geniune and have no malice within thier words is something that wont stand you good. Your nonsense about me moaning so to speak is just proof within its self. I have a bloody right to say speak my mind without being disrepected. If you take alook not once was i unrespectful within my post and kept opologising if i was.
Just how many post do you class as whinney ? 1 2 3 , a debate and topic disscussion is simply what it is not an excuse to jump in and rip someones work to bits. I have only been doing it 5 months , have never played this game before and was not saying in no manner that i am up with the best.
If this is how thinsg are delt with in here then i wont bother coming back , but doubt that i can anyway as it seems i am suddenly banned for just speaking what i thought was called free bloody speech. Maybe its time i gave playing games up because its does seem that childish behaviour does sourround it
I have had to use this name due to obvious reason so dont think i am trying to be anyone else , i just wanted to reply to a few insults that came my way.
I am sorry shifty for spoiling your thread if thats how it ha ssemmed that was not my intention and surely wasnt what i was saying. This has got to be proof because i am a nice guy i dont have problems with anyone and just plod along and play the game but you must ask why a percentage of people are feeling like this. maybe beause we are whinney or stand up for something we believe and passionate about...
Ps if you look about around my post you shall see that i my self think my driving lines need help even have asked for it cheveron. Aagin i love making tracks and this is not the reason for my post> there must be a better place for serious builders who want to better them self as its not possible in track central or we wouldnt need to single out the better builders , they would be at the top all the time but ther arent anfd thats the issue. quality builders are not at the top of track central so my point is if you give one a better seat then any builder who is serious about this game deserves the same opportunity and not be swamped also in track central. Why is this not understood why is it being spun as though i am saying i should be in the top. I just dont want to be in the same place that everyone wants to get out of is that not a right everyone has ?. I have no chance of progressing within the boundries of what is called track central , i dont have hundreds of friends on my list i dont go adding tons of friends. People send me requests and then dont ever speak what the hell is that all about. Maybe to get likes as that alone. So i and so many others arent in the postition to better our selves when the best builders cant even get ahead on track central how do people like my self stand a chance therefore there is no point and therfore this is why i also ask for a place to grow and not be part fo the pants rubbish that just gets licked because of other reasons then the quality of tracks. IF got nothing to do with how good i am or how bad i am at making tracks its the point that people like my self shoul dbe encouraged and deserve to have room to grow just as much as the top builder because at the end of the day we play the god dam game and the conecpt of trials is ran by the players so i should have a right to voice my opinion without being banned or insulted..
After all i am talking in the time frame we are at , next year this game wont exsist thats the reality so whats wrong with trying to get the most out of it before it goes none but i shall stick to just doing what i like. I didnt mean to sound off about the same tracks but i have my likes and dont likes , like someones recent i think physical is one of the best because you actually have to play the track instead of going up and down up and down. Yes the flow and so forth but alot did seem the same but that didnt mean i was saying they was rubbsih/. You took everything i said , put it into your own little ball and come up with absolutley nothing regarding my meaning and point..
Im off anyway this is annoying time wasting and frankly a rude place to stay
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While I think this Featured Builder Feed is a really positive step I do agree that maybe featuring 3 builders a month is a better idea than just the 1. Don't even have tracks in the feed, just a link to each builders tracks and maybe a brief comment on each builder would be cool. The amount of people playing this game on multiple platforms can't be that large so saying 48 builders featured in a year is irrelevant, most of us will see just 12.
Shifty I'm pretty sure you've been part of this community longer than myself and know I'm not over dramatising here. We've always been a small but staunch community and other than the pc guys outrage over RL's decision to release HD on 360, RL have never had such a sustained amount of criticism levelled at any of their decisions or products till Fusion in my experience. I am also concerned that after 12 months there may be almost nobody playing the game anymore unless drastic steps are taken. I hardly play myself anymore and after approx 5 yrsof playing Trials in one form or another daily I think that's tragic.
It's hard to come here with positive suggestions and feedback after seeing Rillo's thread prior to Fusion's release was largely ignored, many of those suggestions were just common sense for an evolution of the Trials franchise in a lot of our minds and the Devs not even considering them has lead to where we are now.
Apologies if this was a bit of a ramble but I never really think this stuff through before I post it. I just know our communities dying if not dead and it genuinely saddens me. I still hold out some hope for this game growing into what it should have been in the first place and I still have a lot of love for RL.
Ps...newcomers...lack of MP has just become a rallying call to most. Had the game been what we expected ( yeah we fell into the assumption trap ) I doubt the lack of MP would be anywhere near the issue it's become.
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Alright:
- I mentioned your tracks because at some point in your drawn out elucidations within this thread you talked about lack of feedback for unknown players. My criticism was harsh, I was annoyed. Take it with a grain of salt.
- You are right that athletes, actors, in fact numerous professional careers are groomed when skill is shown early. Where you are wrong is comparing Trials to a highly established talent machine like those fields. This is a medium run by the community, fueled by the community, and for the most part self-sustaining. You want feedback? You want recognition? You want to be mentored? Make a thread under the user created tracks forum here, keep it up to date, post frequently, and try and attract people who know what's up to help you out. Don't rely on RedLynx to do it for you, or anyone else trying to gain a foothold in the building scene.
- Whinney isn't a word. Whinny is a noise a disturbed horse makes. Whiny is how you came across. L2Grammar
- There is no 'v' in my name.
Good day
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You have a few good points. Even echoing some of mine. The biggest thing with Fusion was the 50 pages...yeah...fifty...of thought out suggestions for Fusion very early in development. Having developers chime in the thread at time with "thanks for the suggestions...keep them coming" etc. Meanwhile, maybe 2 of 100 ideas were put in Fusion. Dead trees and fixed replays. Many suggestions made were simple logical fixes and improvements to track central, etc. All completely overlooked.Originally Posted by JoeRegular Go to original post
I would say on a whole, the majority of the forum had issues with Fusion...we can't all be wrong. It's better to take a step back and ask...where did we go a little wrong and how can this be fixed. First step....listen to your core fans.
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He is proberbly right , i was fumming because its seems i cant get in with my original name so that's why i was angry. To be honest i feel alittle shocked that you have something against a place for new builders. Im unsure why this is. Everyone has an equal right not to be faced with all that rubbish in track central but you seem to think that some people dont have that right and have something against new builders.
Your approach by chucking out information you obviously dont have a clue about.. If you open youer eyes and take a look in user created thread i have just as you have suggested that i should do so maybe you should look instead of just ripping into people.I wouldnt say forum presidents as presidets need facts and not assumptions. That shows you just joined the conversations to get your nose in because you obviously havent looked or thought about what you are saying.
No this is not a proffesional place ad using an example like footballers and so forth is just that an example. Blockbusters video use to do things for new memebers , virgin or any internet always provide for new memebers are you really that soft you dont see that the main people are the new ones. You concentrate your buisness on keeping the new ones. The old members are already hooked. Pmsl on ya soft lad
Like i said it was only a debate not one to get personell . I want feedback and a great builder gave it me but in the manner and the correct place not in the middle of a massive debate , thats not feedback thats insulting. I have a thread for feedback , i thought you said you watched my you tube vids , well you would know i have a thread. Seem like that was another rubbish statement.
At the end of the day you can pipe in with you silly comments thinking your clever , clever is to get everyone watching your you tube videos , getting top builders to notice you in whatever way.
In 2 days a far few of the community know my name , thats clever my fried
Oh and you come across like your so far up tha backside of people that you have forgot where you end and they begin but that doesn't mean it needs to be said , this was about a debate not a a insult match. If you was that intelligent like your text try's to give then you would have seen this. Your attempt of choosing little bits out of what i said to make you look good is childish. My grammer is not very good and its such a childlike attitude to try and use that as a way to gain in your post. Why not add the other half to that little quote and why not reply to it all. Because you dont have an answer . Whats an horse got to do with someones opinion , your very strange.
I can understand why the devs might get annoyed as they do alot and i my self have been in a job where complaints are the worst to deal with so i can understand why they get annoyed but why are you ? just what are you annoyed about ?. If my posts are not to your liking then dont bloody read them , also why would it effect you just what exaclt have you got to be angry about ?. Nothing it seems your just another person who wants to cause harm within an online community if someone has a different opinion. I M 40 year old father of 4 and let me tell you something.
My opinion is just that and its my hard working money that i bought this game with and i am entitled to have this opinion without your childlike response and attitude. If you your self are a quality builder and have an decent understanding then you should know at how annoying it can be when you keep putting hours into soemthing only for it to be lost or just ripped off ( the standard of the work doesnt matter ) you should know that its not a great feeling and if you suggest that someone should just sit there and not say anything then your a fool. Top quality builders dont run this game , we do builders like my self and everyone who put our chunk as you would say into track central hence the reason these builders who make tracks with floating stuff , junk and so forth are the leaders with in track central. So why is it just that you and top builders think your better that you should njot be apart of it. Granted they are better and granted a place for quality builders is essential but so is the chance to progress. There is no way that any half decent builder has a chance unless you kiss *** and have thousands of friends. Example - a recent track got over 800 likes and it was of low quality. Now this was purely because hes on everyones list. I understand if this was the first trials or there is signs of others but you and i know this is coming to an end so there is not time so basicly its pointless becuase people wont be about to even have a reason for top quality tracks.
Seem to me you have forgot what its like to be starting out or just simply think people should think how you do or they are wrong..
your response is childish , ignorant to what was being said and to be honest something i would expect from my 16 year old son.
ps What i sepak of is based on facts , MY son stopped playing this game becuase of the exact reason i am saying. So i am not wrong bviously i cant be
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This is the same as what I have said for a couple of years now. Seems like someone was either listening, or my point got stuck by repetition.Originally Posted by Ch4er0n Go to original post
That would be pretty cool, but (in my understanding) that's not the way that Track Central works. We need tracks in the Feeds, not builders. Definitely something I will mention to the team, but there are... other.... changes that we have been working on for Track Central to try to keep everything moving forward.Originally Posted by JoeRegular Go to original post
I've said too much already.
You have me beat by 3 months. :POriginally Posted by JoeRegular Go to original post
In game development there are always various amounts of criticism, the biggest issues I see, and the most widely repeated, have to do with Online MP, which I am not authorized to talk about right now, and Track Central.... which I am also not really authorized to talk about right now. Shogun, Blue, En0, Johkr and myself are all supporters of updating usability of TC. We've got some great people on the dev team listening to us, we're working on adding some things and altering some things based on feedback. We've been running with a ton of fixes and alterations in each update (already 4 title updates, 2 DLCs and a feature pack in just about 6 months). These guys are working hard. Yes, it's their jobs, but they are trying to listen to us, and we are listening to you.
I'm not misunderstanding you, except for the part where I asked for clarification. The whole of Track Central is a place for all builders. As you have said there are MANY tracks that aren't exactly the best tracks in the world. I absolutely agree that the people building them are likely putting in hours and using every bit of their knowledge in creating them, that does not mean that we can make a 3rd curated feed for Featured New Builders. That would not be fair to people who build tracks that (while subjective) are of a much higher standard.Originally Posted by funktastic22014 Go to original post
While I don't agree with the overall tone of Ch4er0n's post, the sentiment is there. Featured and Recommended feeds are just that, a place where we recommend and feature tracks and/or builders who are well above the current standard. It's the equivalent of us saying "Dude, I really think you'll like this track" or "Hey man, this guy builds insane stuff ALL THE TIME".Originally Posted by Ch4er0n Go to original post
I personally checked your account. It's fine. No suspension, no ban, no infractions....Originally Posted by funktastic22014 Go to original post
All of Track Central is a place for new builders. The Newest feeds are feeds for new creations. If a new builder meets the level of quality that we look for in Featured and Recommended, and some do but I've dropped names a bit too much, then they'll get featured.Originally Posted by funktastic22014 Go to original post
Not annoyed in the slightest. Just trying to explain where I'm coming from.Originally Posted by funktastic22014 Go to original post
Absolutely. We are all entitled to our opinions. The forum gives us a place to voice those opinions. The forum rules dictate how we can state those opinions.Originally Posted by funktastic22014 Go to original post
Nobody is ripping off tracks. We aren't deleting them. Just because I may not like a track doesn't mean Shogun won't like a track, or that 800 other people might like a track. We just have stupidly high standards. Shogun and I have both made tracks. We understand the time that needs to go into them.Originally Posted by funktastic22014 Go to original post
Does it suck when something you spent 40 hours on doesn't get the exposure that you were hoping for? Absolutely. But it's a live and learn situation. Post your tracks in a forum thread, ask for honest feedback, and be sure not to tear into people who tell you what they didn't like. That's an express ticket into people not giving you feedback. Read the feedback, consider it and carry on.
If new builders are already the "leaders of track central" then why do they need a curated feed?Originally Posted by funktastic22014 Go to original post
This is the first Trials on PS4 and Xbox One. Welcome! Chastising others for posting info they don't really know while talking about active users is an intriguing decision.Originally Posted by funktastic22014 Go to original post
I don't mind a good debate. And having this debate here isn't really off topic, but the insults and overt antagonism needs to stop. If you don't agree with someone, then post why, but calling people names and insinuating that others lack intelligence is not the way to do it.
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This has totally got out of hand , i was not saying that top builders should not have a place and also wasnt saying i am a quality builder. In my defence my first original post was off the back of just completing a track that took hours on end for it only to be pushed aside by someone uploading over 6 tracks of the same track but with different bikes. Which i thought is why you can have a selection of bikes for your tracks. This is always the case , i also think that my meesage i was trying to say has been taken the wrong way. My continuous replys is becuase i felt i need to try and make clear in what i was saying but my grammer is not of the highest standard so maybe that is my own fault. I also dont believe that i think ist any interest of the community to have more of the same. The feature is a great idea and have said that all along. But so is having a better place for people who are serious about bettering thier ability. Why has this been so hard to understand ?.
I therefore would like to actually stop all the stupid comments from posts and my own also as when it comes down to it whatever way things happen i am sure you agree that everyone want to get to the same place and have a fantastic track central. I love this game and of course i love building tracks for my self and others to play i have said thousands of time within this forum that actualy i am very active in since i joined that i think the editor is an amzing tool for gamers and builders alike. I on the other hand dont take kindly to being made to look like a fool with silly comments like whinney and so forth which i am sure you would not your sefl because i wasnt moaning so to speak but just joining in a commumity thats made for such reasons. Post multiple posts about something your are passionate about is not moaning or whining its purely an interest in your hobbie.
So as an adult and a gamer who is not here for confronatation and so forth would like to shake hands and move on.
I still am unaware as to why i am not allowed in this forum now with my name i was , im not sure being banned for having an opinion is the right think a company should be doing. It could possibly be that its just bad timing but i doubt it.. would it be possible for a reason for this ?
sorry just saw your post thanx for the respons ei was typing at time also my reference to fedback was intended to point out that this is not the place. I have a thread for that not in the middle of a heated debate like some builder already has in the correct manner. If its give at times like that it cant be taken as feedback and surely nobody would take it as that its a dig. alot of what i was saying shifty then was a response to che4erons uncalled for feedback you dont get personell in a debate. but i stand by what i posted again...
shake hands and move on
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There is no reason that you shouldn't be able to log in on your account. If you continue having issues, please try a password reset. If that fails you will likely want to contact support.ubisoft.com for further assistance. I can't find anything wrong with it.Originally Posted by funktastic22014 Go to original post
