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[Tomdebomb_]

I'm sure a lot of people aren't as happy with Fusion than they are with Evo, the forum has become full of it. I am going to make a post about my opinions, it won't be negative, just pairing up Evo to Fusion.

RL Interaction with Forum users

First of all as a lot of long time trials players have noticed, RL listened to the community a lot more on Evo, if someone had an idea and they posted it on the forums, RL would try and implement it into the game, or try their hardest. Nowadays with Fusion nothing gets listened to on the Forums, they just say 'we do what is best to fit all riders, you guys are just the minority' we may be the minority of riders, but we will be the ones playing Fusion in a year or two when it has died down, not everyone who isn't on the forums. if the 'majority' aren't on the forums, how do you know what they want/need? I'm just sating RL need to be more interactive again, the game may be hugely popular now but you still have to listen to the hardcore fans.

Leaderboards

When Evo was out (maybe not near the last few months) RL cared about glitched scores, every glitched score got fixed, the LB was perfect, and accurate, when the DLC came out we got 2 separate LB's so that if a rider didn't have DLC they could still not their true rank, and if they had DLC and just wanted to check how their global was doing, they could easily check. Now that Fusion is out there is already 10+ glitched scores, adding score on, or missing score, i, unfortunately have missing score from the DLC, and as there is only 1 Leaderboard, i can't see my normal score, taking out DLC. And apparently the reason there is only 1 LB is because the top riders (who are so called the only people who care about LB position) will have DLC and all the scores will be perfect, the old RL i knew would've had all the glitched scores cleared and would've had all the coffin runs wiped. Hopefully that one person is still going at it full time.

Track Central

Now the track central isn't all bad on Fusion, we can still see top rated, all the new difficulties of track but the main things that let it down are the 52 max tracks, there is thousands of tracks on TC, so i would believe there is more than 52 good tracks, the tracks just get lost after a week, all that work put to waste, the Cross platform tracks is cool, but it would be good to see lots more being transferred, not just a couple at a time. Highest rated 48hr is missed aswell, that was an easy feature with lots of the best new tracks coming through, so you wouldn't miss a single one.

Bike Customization

I know this is a small thing but with the options on Evo where you could change the color of EVERY part of your bike you could have some whacky colors, or just a plain bike, but in Fusion, we are stuck with the 2 colors, which sometimes doesn't look very original, just plain.

DLC

The DLC was good on Fusion (apart from not getting score on Rags To Riches) but it was a bit of a let down only getting 10 tracks for £3.99 which was roughly the same price for 36 new tracks on Evo, and 30 tracks for the other DLC, if there is 6 Fusion DLC's people are paying much more for 60 tracks, compared to 66 (if i am correct about Evo DLC's)

Tournaments

Tournaments on Evo, and HD were simple always accessible and fun. with them counting towards Global, and trying to 0 fault them it kept me and all the other riders going for ages, hours of fun, on the same tournaments, why did that need to be changed for Fusion, if something works, don't change it. I get Rl wanted to try something new and we are only the 'minority' and according to RL 'The Majority love it' well that's not true. 0.1% of PS4 players play tournaments on average, doesn't seem very good to me. We need the good old Tournaments back, especially TYM!!

Multiplayer

3 months into Fusion we still don't have the biggest part of Trials, in Evo MP it was easy to search for a game, providing hours of fun against random players around the world, and competing on Multiplayer Leaderboards! With being able to play Custom tracks with friends or Play with them on Hardcore Trials it was truly a unique experience and the best part about Trials, hopefully it won't be changed for Fusion (If we're lucky)


Now, i know, i kinda went on a rant, but these things need to be put across, Fusion can still come out as a good game if it just goes in the right steps.

Fusion isn't a bad game, it's just Evo was so good, we expected a lot more. I'm sure i speak for the whole Forum community when i speak, we miss the old RL, the RL that put Fans first, and it wasn't all about being popular or getting lots of money.

Hopefully you can turn Fusion around, so we can all enjoy it together.

[Apollo_ll_Tex]

Awaiting the next person to tell someone with yet another honest post about how many people feel about Fusion to stop being negative.

BTW Tom, I agree with you! <-- positive post for you negative hating hippies

[Tomdebomb_]

Awaiting the next person to tell someone with yet another honest post about how many people feel about Fusion to stop being negative.

BTW Tom, I agree with you! <-- positive post for you negative hating hippies

I wasn't trying to be really negative, Fusion is a good game, Evo was just better, so we expected more, there is things that could be improved, and I listed them

[geordiedeviant]

I wasn't trying to be really negative, Fusion is a good game, Evo was just better, so we expected more, there is things that could be improved, and I listed them

So pop it in a suggestion thread or PM the devs directly.

[apdenton1]

but we will be the ones playing Fusion in a year or two when it has died down, not everyone who isn't on the forums. if the 'majority' aren't on the forums, how do you know what they want/need?

Market researchers. These days It's business first no matter what anybody wants, even lower ranking members of a dev team. There are exceptions, and I support those exceptions. The games are of much higher quality or bang for your buck and the devs are clearly passionate and don't screw around. RL was one of those exceptions, now they sold out..

[RetiredRonin]

I'm sure a lot of people aren't as happy with Fusion than they are with Evo, the forum has become full of it. I am going to make a post about my opinions, it won't be negative, just pairing up Evo to Fusion.

RL Interaction with Forum users

First of all as a lot of long time trials players have noticed, RL listened to the community a lot more on Evo, if someone had an idea and they posted it on the forums, RL would try and implement it into the game, or try their hardest. Nowadays with Fusion nothing gets listened to on the Forums, they just say 'we do what is best to fit all riders, you guys are just the minority' we may be the minority of riders, but we will be the ones playing Fusion in a year or two when it has died down, not everyone who isn't on the forums. if the 'majority' aren't on the forums, how do you know what they want/need? I'm just sating RL need to be more interactive again, the game may be hugely popular now but you still have to listen to the hardcore fans.

Hey Tom, we really are listening to you guys. We've made some fairly easy changes to Trials Fusion based directly on your feedback. Regardless of how people would like to read some of my statements, the core Trials player is important to us. You guys know how you want things to work, how we can improve upon an area, and how we could go about doing it. This is all invaluable to us. The reality is that not every suggestion can, or will, be implemented. I never meant that since the HC group is smaller, that they are unimportant. That's far from the case.

What we do have is multiple groups who want different things. We need to decide what is more in line with our vision of Trials, which could be different than what you want, and might be exactly what someone else wants. It is a fact of life that you can not make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time. That is, of course, our goal, but it's an unattainable one. The reason that there is little dev feedback, except from En0-, is that the team is constantly working on Trials Fusion. There is so much more to bring to Fusion that I am not able to talk about, but we see this game as a constantly evolving title. There are things that we now know are sorely missed by Trials fans, and our priorities have changed a bit make sure those features are done, but more importantly, that they are done right.

Leaderboards

When Evo was out (maybe not near the last few months) RL cared about glitched scores, every glitched score got fixed, the LB was perfect, and accurate, when the DLC came out we got 2 separate LB's so that if a rider didn't have DLC they could still not their true rank, and if they had DLC and just wanted to check how their global was doing, they could easily check. Now that Fusion is out there is already 10+ glitched scores, adding score on, or missing score, i, unfortunately have missing score from the DLC, and as there is only 1 Leaderboard, i can't see my normal score, taking out DLC. And apparently the reason there is only 1 LB is because the top riders (who are so called the only people who care about LB position) will have DLC and all the scores will be perfect, the old RL i knew would've had all the glitched scores cleared and would've had all the coffin runs wiped. Hopefully that one person is still going at it full time.

We care very much for the leaderboards. We have two people, one part time, and the other full time, working on cleaning the leaderboards. Here is where the problem is. Many of the people who have used the FMX Exploit have gone back and beaten their old time (using the exploit) with a clean run. This isn't me saying that these cleanups will not occur, I'm just passing along why it is taking a while to do so.

Track Central

Now the track central isn't all bad on Fusion, we can still see top rated, all the new difficulties of track but the main things that let it down are the 52 max tracks, there is thousands of tracks on TC, so i would believe there is more than 52 good tracks, the tracks just get lost after a week, all that work put to waste, the Cross platform tracks is cool, but it would be good to see lots more being transferred, not just a couple at a time. Highest rated 48hr is missed aswell, that was an easy feature with lots of the best new tracks coming through, so you wouldn't miss a single one.

This is getting fixed. We know how high of a priority that this is, and it is being addressed accordingly. We know that it's taking longer than you want, but we're trying to get it done ASAP.

Bike Customization

I know this is a small thing but with the options on Evo where you could change the color of EVERY part of your bike you could have some whacky colors, or just a plain bike, but in Fusion, we are stuck with the 2 colors, which sometimes doesn't look very original, just plain.

I will relay this information. And if anyone else spends the time to read my whole reply, please let us know if this is important to you as well.

DLC

The DLC was good on Fusion (apart from not getting score on Rags To Riches) but it was a bit of a let down only getting 10 tracks for £3.99 which was roughly the same price for 36 new tracks on Evo, and 30 tracks for the other DLC, if there is 6 Fusion DLC's people are paying much more for 60 tracks, compared to 66 (if i am correct about Evo DLC's)

I'll get torn apart, and I do understand your concern and the feeling that you are getting less for the same price, but Fusion tracks and Evolution tracks aren't the same from a development and design perspective. We view them differently, and that's a difference between how fans view them. Where you may see 1 Fusion track, we see a Trials Track, a music video, a ninja track, 2 skill games, 2 "secrets" and a squirrel. All of those elemets are taken into account when the levels are being created. It's not a case of "Where does ANBA want this sign?" or "Where can we put this squirrel?" it's a team of people working from the beginning to pack a ton of activities into each track.

If secrets, and other "fun" things are something that you aren't interested in, then it's understandable that you feel disappointed. I used "fun" not to mean that people don't like fun, but because I lacked a better word to use.

Tournaments

Tournaments on Evo, and HD were simple always accessible and fun. with them counting towards Global, and trying to 0 fault them it kept me and all the other riders going for ages, hours of fun, on the same tournaments, why did that need to be changed for Fusion, if something works, don't change it. I get Rl wanted to try something new and we are only the 'minority' and according to RL 'The Majority love it' well that's not true. 0.1% of PS4 players play tournaments on average, doesn't seem very good to me. We need the good old Tournaments back, especially TYM!!

All I have is my own opinion, which isn't important, as it is not what you are looking for.

Multiplayer

3 months into Fusion we still don't have the biggest part of Trials, in Evo MP it was easy to search for a game, providing hours of fun against random players around the world, and competing on Multiplayer Leaderboards! With being able to play Custom tracks with friends or Play with them on Hardcore Trials it was truly a unique experience and the best part about Trials, hopefully it won't be changed for Fusion (If we're lucky)

Multiplayer is coming, but I can't get into specifics. I can say, and I'm fairly sure that most will agree, the leader boards for MP in Trials Fusion didn't mean a whole lot to most players. MP in Trials Fusion will be a bit different. When we introduced MP to Trials in Evolution, it was pretty good, but we can do better.

Now, i know, i kinda went on a rant, but these things need to be put across, Fusion can still come out as a good game if it just goes in the right steps.

Fusion isn't a bad game, it's just Evo was so good, we expected a lot more. I'm sure i speak for the whole Forum community when i speak, we miss the old RL, the RL that put Fans first, and it wasn't all about being popular or getting lots of money.

Hopefully you can turn Fusion around, so we can all enjoy it together.

The plan for Fusion has always been a Trials game that is constantly being improved and added onto. Whether that is through additional features, changes to features, and the addition of content through DLC, or other unannounced changes, we've got a lot of time and effort in the game, and we're not stopping yet.

What we do want is for you all to voice your concerns. This post by Tom was another great example of how to do so. I know that my post won't cover all of your annoyances with Fusion, but I want you to be sure that your voice is being heard, and that it is important to us.

[Rishaan]

@shifty. Ive read your post and i specially logged in on my phone to confirm that i too like to see the same bike customization if not more as in evo. Your rider/bike feels more personal and unique when it was possible to customize the crap out of that phoenix . Most of the times you could even recognize some players by their bikes. (Individual front/rear wheels).

About the tracks in tracks etc. I think i do know what you mean. You put much more time and effort in creating, developing the track and ideas for possible challenges than if you would have a track without them. The main thing is that these are one-time only challenges. You finish them and then you won't play them anymore. (Im talking about the extra trials tracks within a track here, not the 'complete the track while throwing up cause the camera keeps spinning' ones ). Isnt there an option to release those tracks as a dlc or that you can unlock them as sp tracks. Same goes for the secret ninjas. Great post btw.

Cheers


Edit: id like to know your opinion on the tournament bit actually.

[Tomdebomb_]

@Shifty, thanks for the post gives me more confidence that things are being improved on and Trials is getting back to what it used to be, and it's good too see post's like that from RL employee's, shows that they do care about what we think!

[Buttcheekofdeth]

The most important missing feature that few people seem to be talking about: TESTING CUSTOM TRACKS WITH FRIENDS!!!

This feature seemed accidental in Evolution, so Shifty, can you please inform the team that THIS NEEDS TO BE POSSIBLE IN MULTIPLAYER, because otherwise I'm pretty sure it's going to be overlooked.

After seeing how important it was to builders in Evolution, it should have been a built-in feature of the Editor.

[Patabarnack]

TESTING CUSTOM TRACKS WITH FRIENDS!!!

i'm waiting after that before releasing my tracks... (but who care about my track lol)