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[dasraizer]

millions of people are late around the world, be it getting to a meeting, an airport, or what ever, life is not always as we would like it and sometime you just have to say 'this is what we have, go with it and we'll fix it on the fly', sure its not ideal but life never is, and at least we know RL are working to improve and bring the game to the highest quality they can, why wouldn't they, I know when im working on a project i want it to be very best i can do, it helps i don't have to worry about deadlines like booked manufacturing of disks and printed media, and sure anyone can ask for an extension, but contracts, fees will force the issue, so what can you do, just make the best of the situation, if this game never existed, we'd all be worst off, why because its adding the the enjoyment of 10s of thousands of people.

[xzamplez]

millions of people are late around the world, be it getting to a meeting, an airport, or what ever, life is not always as we would like it and sometime you just have to say 'this is what we have, go with it and we'll fix it on the fly', sure its not ideal but life never is, and at least we know RL are working to improve and bring the game to the highest quality they can, why wouldn't they, I know when im working on a project i want it to be very best i can do, it helps i don't have to worry about deadlines like booked manufacturing of disks and printed media, and sure anyone can ask for an extension, but contracts, fees will force the issue, so what can you do, just make the best of the situation, if this game never existed, we'd all be worst off, why because its adding the the enjoyment of 10s of thousands of people.

That's a nice way of looking at it. Some people are actually getting enjoyment out of the game, so that's something I guess.

But please....stop making excuses for them. There are no excuses that justify releasing the game in the state that it was. None. It's great that they're ever so slowly taking steps to make the game whole, but the damage has been done. I'm glad that you and others manage to find enjoyment from Fusion. But, please respect that there are a lot of people who can't find that enjoyment.

[dasraizer]

That's a nice way of looking at it. Some people are actually getting enjoyment out of the game, so that's something I guess.

But please....stop making excuses for them. There are no excuses that justify releasing the game in the state that it was. None. It's great that they're ever so slowly taking steps to make the game whole, but the damage has been done. I'm glad that you and others manage to find enjoyment from Fusion. But, please respect that there are a lot of people who can't find that enjoyment.

oh im not making excuses for RL, im just saying life isn't always how it should be. I was disappointed with the state fusion was released in, me and a few friends bought this, fired it up for some MP and all went awwww, and that's pretty much the last they've played it. I'm just glad RL are working on completing it, unlike the devs for payday2 , pretty much abandoned, which is a shame as the game could have been a clasic.
I feel RL are walking the failure/successful game line, and have much to prove to most players, my gut feeling is they are 100% heading in the right direction, but time will tell, i am a patient person but even i have my limits.

[xMotionSickness]

I'm going to coin a new term here... I call it the RedLynx Paradox.

It explains how you can go from a game like Evo, build on top of it, and the result is less than what you had in the first place.

[D2Dahaka]

Sandholm, you have a valid point, but when you've got a whole YouTube library dedicated to showcasing good tracks, and good builders, there's enough content on Evo to keep you going for a long, long time. I am using said library and I'm having a blast playing through awesome tracks with an awesome bike.

This. For those who really dislike Fusion, EVO has not stopped being one of (if not the) best Trials game(s) to date. There may not be much great new stuff on Track Central, but there is a massive backlog of quality customs, that will take you an age to beast. No point getting upset about the state of Fusion as it's not going to change anything.

If you're still playing Fusion, then it's best not to go back to Evo as you'll just start to cry after feeling how much better a bike the Phoenix is than the Pit Viper...then there's those marvellous editor pieces and the fact you don't have to fight with it every step of the way to make a unique looking track. If you can't stomach Trials anymore, then just find another game/hobby.

I like Fusion as a game, but I don't love it. I feel the homogenisation of everything has held back what should have been the best Trials game ever made. The future thing should have been a unique theme (like the circus pieces from Evo), not the basis of the whole game and all the dlc. Rusty variations of the same ramps/pipes, a few unique dirty pieces and some new effects does not constitute a new theme. Rustlands (what Ive seen of it) pretty much reveals what the rest of the game is going to be like...good quality sure, but not amazing and most certainly not enough. No amount of updating/patching is going to make this the ultimate Trials experience if this is the narrow direction the game has been boxed into. I see no point in providing us with the best editor/sandbox ever and tying it down with a set of editor pieces so limited in scope.

Anyway, enough ranting it is what it is. I'm enjoying it for the most part and despite the new direction and long list of short comings it does do some things very well. Great visuals on PC and next gen platforms, X-Platform Track Central picks and the higher level of detail in single player tracks to name a few. Seeing as I've bought this game for 4 platforms along with 4 season passes I intend to get my money's worth and more.

As an aside: The $64 question after this round of dlc, will there be another season of content and will it allow us to travel back in time to an age where wood and other such wondrous materials exist? Are we far enough in the future for time travel to be possible? Could the rider travel back in time with Cindy to accomplish some special mission? Come on ANBA I know you want to do this

P.S If I prove to be wrong and change my tune about the season pass dlc after its conclusion, I am prepared to do some kind of dare or go through some humiliation on video for RedLynx to use as they please

[Mandrake2007]

I honestly never envisaged that Fusion would be a disappointment. I enjoyed HD but Evolution was so much better and I didn't even entertain the thought that Fusion would end up being a lesser game than either. I had complete faith in RedLynx to deliver the next stage in this mammoth franchise with all the brilliance they clearly had.

I played Fusion for about three weeks. Picked it up again with the tournament update. Completed a tournament and turned it off again. Haven't touched it since.

I have never cared for customs. For me the game is about bettering my global leaderboard position on the stock tracks. After completing the tracks on Fusion for the first time I measaged my friends asking them what they thought of the game. For me it still has that Trials magic but it has been watered down. Too many of the tracks suffer from choke points where the frame of the bike catches the floor and you lose all your speed (these are not tire glitches, I haven't seen any true tire glitches). The bikes all feel sluggish and heavy. The future setting is too random and the textures of objects lack definition. None of my concerns over the game stem from missing features or poorly implemented ones. The game just doesn't feel as good as Evo did!

It is easy to see why this could be the case. Both HD and Evolution were developed for one platform at a time exclusively. Fusion was simultaneously developed for at least five different platforms. Do we think RedLynx staff increased five fold? Ubisoft no doubt had a hand in the release scheduling and the decision to sell on all platforms. I believe if RedLynx was still independent that the game wouldn't have been released until it was ready.

Ubisoft have a habit of dumbing down their game franchises and I personally feel they've killed at least two of my favourite franchises. Splinter Cell got better and better up to Chaos Theory and has been in decline since. Ghost Recon in its last two guises has been a shadow of what it used to be. They make the game more accessible to the lesser skilled at the expense of those in the higher bracket. In my mind the game has been simplified to attract and retain more of the casual gamer crowd. Previous Trials games have been a genuine struggle to assert your dominance over the key bike (The Glorious Phoenix!) but the Pit Viper is too tame to begin with. I remember playing multiplayer on Evo and people would regularly pick the Scorpion for Hard and Extreme tracks because they weren't confident on the Phoenix despite the fact they were handicapping themselves further by not picking it! I doubt that would be the case on Fusion. The Pit Viper is a decent bike but it lacks the explosive ferocity that the Phoenix has.

It is good that they are adding features and fixes but none of this addresses the actual gameplay which is unfortunately where my problem lies.

I went back to Evo shortly after finishing with Fusion. I found my extreme technique had improved greatly and I improved my Extreme times and took TYM to just outside platinum faults. I haven't got the patience to revisit the game again, I was at the ceiling of my ability.

Thankfully Trials Frontier has allowed me to get my Trials fix for these last couple of months. I bought Fusion and the Season Pass as soon as I could. £32 for three weeks gaming. I downloaded Frontier about a week before Fusion came out and have played it every day other than the three weeks that I played Fusion. It has cost me nothing (except a **** load of time!).

I'll revisit Fusion for the DLC I foolishly paid for but they can't rescue the game for me unless they overhaul the game engine and that isn't going to happen is it?

[Meenie77]

The big problem with fusion is not... The bike, the lack of MP or the issues behind TCtube not working

Play evo and then play fusion... Then the other way round.. And then do all that again a couple of times

Fusion (can only speak for 360) has awful surface physics/hit detection..

Look at the blimp track... Drive over a blimp and its clunky as f**k.. Now try hit a standard curved ramp both convex and convex.. They are NOT smooth

So add into that mix a high powered rear wheel bike and you get wheel skip (on what "should" be a flat surface) mixed in with shoddy front wheel physics

And even with the best will in the world.. Cosmetic fixes will not solve this and adding features will not fix this..

THAT .. Is why fusion is a step back from evo

But as said, i can only speak for 360