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    ShiftySamurai & BlueBadger can you help us, please?

    Hi guys, sorry to bother you but there is a situation that itīs getting worst - cheaters/hackers/leaderboards and both of you are our link with Redlynx.

    I know, I know... 1st there are proper topics to talk about it... 2nd Redlynx team are very busy with new projects... 3rd both of you have your own concerns... etc...

    But let me, please, explain from a playerīs point of view...

    I love to play Trials and I play as much as possible. I tell everybody about this game, how itīs great, how itīs elegant having such fantastic playability with few options (aceleration, break, pilot position) ... but there is one problem - there are lots of hackers and cheaters spoiling the fun.

    I use to play multiplayer, almost every day and, very often, sometimes I have a nice group of players ready to run and them somebody like "whoisthedady666" enter our group. This guy is terribly bad, loose all the races, but as a cheater/hacker, ends always in 1st position. It spoils all the fun, cause in the end I need to quit multiplayer, otherwise it starts to be cat/mouse`s game, in such way that I need to be going in and out the groups, all the time, in order to avoid matches with this and other hackers...

    Like a fair player, I make a huge effort gaining, inch by inch, some points here and there to increase my position... you know it gets worst when you are reaching your limit, but that is nice to understand that you can break your limits after you think you are done. Then you realize that some morons are "ending" tracks in seconds when pros takes a minute or so... and you start to ask to yourself - What Im trying to do here, if in the end, there is no point to get better cause the leaderboards are complety messy and unfair?

    Like I said, this game is incredible, but the leaderboards are your basis, your ground, to understand how good (or bad in my case) you are! If you donīt have a clear vision of your real situation, the game getīs weak in itīs foundation... of course this is my point of view and everybody are wellcome to leave their points of view too!

    Sorry once more, but there are no tools to deal with hackers? Cheaters?

    We asked a long ago about the messy multiplayer leaderboards, and you said that it was a tricky situation, Ok, so we were thinking that it would take sometime to solve... but now, monthes later, we have a feeling that nothing was done... sorry, but this is my feeling.

    And my sincere apologies to write down such long and boring text, but I did it cause I care a lot about this game. Im playing Redlynx Trials since 1st version, and I really love it, but I think Redlynx are not taking this version with that respect, that we got used to receive.

    Can we have a fair single and multiplayer leaderboards my friends, please?
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    Re: ShiftySamurai & BlueBadger can you help us, please?

    Would be nice yes, but seems like it requires a lot of work to actually fix the multi player leaderboard
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    Re: ShiftySamurai & BlueBadger can you help us, please?

    Hi Sandholm! Thanks for your repply my friend! It is very important to me!

    Yes, and I understand that Redlynx would need to apply efforts to solve the issues... mainly the multiplayer leaderboards... but the efforts can be taken in different directions, and some can be less demanding:

    1- To identify and take measures regarding wrong points earned. One of top players explained that everytime that he was running on a certain track donīt remember which one...) he was receiving huge points, in such way that soon he was the world 1st player, but he is a serious player, and after identifying this issue, he said that would stop to run this track, till the moment that such inconsistency would be solved. But maybe there are others doing the same, without realizing it, or maybe deliberately.

    2- To identify and take harder measures about hackers (banish)

    3- To recalculate single player leaderboard

    4- To recalculate multiplayer leaderboards

    I think each iten demands a different effort, but I think itīs fair to receive, at least, some feedback about it... it doesn't seem right to me, to just let it go and leave the single leaderbords, multiplayer leaderboards, cheaters, hackers, in this messy state, like we have now... some measures must be taken.

    Please, tell me your point of view, do you think Im exagerating or it seems reasonable? I donīt want to go wrong !

    And, of course, everybody are wellcome to leave their feelings and impressions here, cause, in the end, I believe that everybody wants the same - a great game to be even greater
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    Re: ShiftySamurai & BlueBadger can you help us, please?

    +1 fix the leaderboard please.
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    Re: ShiftySamurai & BlueBadger can you help us, please?

    Yeah, it's really frustrating. I've never been a huge competitor, but I am still proud of some of my runs and I'd like it to show. Hackers be damned!
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    Re: ShiftySamurai & BlueBadger can you help us, please?

    Hi Giantani,

    Let me try to address a few of your points. In general LB admin is always ongoing. As you've already pointed out we are very busy trying to finish two very big games so resources are extremely limited. Because of this these types of fixes are going to take some time but they are still happening. In reference to your 4 points in your last post:

    1 - The multiplayer leaderboards are in very bad shape right now. We are aware of this and devs are investigating the issues. Unfortunately the problem here is fairly complicated and given the limited time they have to devote to this issue it's not going to be a quick fix.

    2 - We do blacklist players who have been identified as cheaters, however in order to blacklist a player we need solid evidence that they are cheating which is not easy to get, especially in multiplayer. Again this is a very time consuming process and there is limited time to spend on it. New players are added to the blacklist every week unfortunately there are a lot of cheaters.

    3 - Global LB scores are recalculated on a case by case basis. Global LB score recalculations do happen often.

    4 - When the issues with multiplayer scoring are fixed something will be done about the multiplayer leaderboard.

    In short measures are being taken. None of these problems are easy fixes, they all take a lot of time. Right now time is at a premium so nothing is going to happen fast but it is happening.
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    Re: ShiftySamurai & BlueBadger can you help us, please?

    Hi Giantani,

    Let me try to address a few of your points. In general LB admin is always ongoing. As you've already pointed out we are very busy trying to finish two very big games so resources are extremely limited. Because of this these types of fixes are going to take some time but they are still happening. In reference to your 4 points in your last post:

    1 - The multiplayer leaderboards are in very bad shape right now. We are aware of this and devs are investigating the issues. Unfortunately the problem here is fairly complicated and given the limited time they have to devote to this issue it's not going to be a quick fix.

    2 - We do blacklist players who have been identified as cheaters, however in order to blacklist a player we need solid evidence that they are cheating which is not easy to get, especially in multiplayer. Again this is a very time consuming process and there is limited time to spend on it. New players are added to the blacklist every week unfortunately there are a lot of cheaters.

    3 - Global LB scores are recalculated on a case by case basis. Global LB score recalculations do happen often.

    4 - When the issues with multiplayer scoring are fixed something will be done about the multiplayer leaderboard.

    In short measures are being taken. None of these problems are easy fixes, they all take a lot of time. Right now time is at a premium so nothing is going to happen fast but it is happening.
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    Re: ShiftySamurai & BlueBadger can you help us, please?

    Hi Shogun, thank you very much my friend for your repply ! I really appreciate it !

    There are any ways that we, players, could help you? (sorry about my english)

    The situation is getting worst and worst... yesterday, when checking the single player leaderboard, I noticed that from top 10 players, 6 shouldn't be there... and that hacker - whosthedaddy666, that everyday goes multiplayer and bothers everybody (we need to be going out the matches all the time he enters the group, and he does this a lot... it's getting really annoying) are now the 10th top player in the world !!! He deserves some special trophy - the only player in the world that looses all the races and still reaches the top 10 !!!

    Now, seriously, I really understand that redlynx need resources to launch new games, but Trial Evolution Gold has now more than 200.000 players... that shouldn't be forgotten... how many time it will be necessary to have, at least, a single player recalculation?
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