Anyone else use the D-pad instead of the stick? | Forums

[NSP_I_VeNoMz]

DPad is just something I wouldn't be able to STICK too.

[Ikes]

DPad is just something I wouldn't be able to STICK too.

I thought the same thing when I first tried it on hd. But once I got the hang of it, I felt a lot more control and improved almost all of my times. I can't speak for evo though. Never really tried the dpad...maybe I should.

[CagBall]

The dpad on HD was better in that the inputs were either 0 or 100 which meant you could lean forwards/backwards faster ..I think. With Evo that changed which is why some of us dpad lovers changed up. There's a thread about it somewhere where one of the debs explains it if you want to search for it. I would but I'm on my iPad (and lazy)

[aBzxMaGiiK]

The dpad on HD was better in that the inputs were either 0 or 100 which meant you could lean forwards/backwards faster ..I think. With Evo that changed which is why some of us dpad lovers changed up. There's a thread about it somewhere where one of the debs explains it if you want to search for it. I would but I'm on my iPad (and lazy)

Are you sure is for this reason? This is not a kind of glitch which make the bike turn faster because you was at like 110%, instead of 100%?
In fact I don't know, that's someone who said me that
For me, I always used stick! That more sweet for hill climb!!

[willyums]

There's a thread about it somewhere where one of the debs explains it if you want to search for it. I would but I'm on my iPad (and lazy)

Here is one of the threads on it, dunno if its the one youre thinking of Skag

[Blastergamer]

I can play with d-pad, I can do it better than few months before, but when I need quick right-left-right-left-right then it is crap. I use analog 99%, except on certain skill games like grid-type mini games.

Sticks are more sensitive than d-pad in Evo.

[CagBall]

The dpad on HD was better in that the inputs were either 0 or 100 which meant you could lean forwards/backwards faster ..I think. With Evo that changed which is why some of us dpad lovers changed up. There's a thread about it somewhere where one of the debs explains it if you want to search for it. I would but I'm on my iPad (and lazy)

Are you sure is for this reason? This is not a kind of glitch which make the bike turn faster because you was at like 110%, instead of 100%?
In fact I don't know, that's someone who said me that
For me, I always used stick! That more sweet for hill climb!!

Maybe it was that actually? My memory's not too good!

There's a thread about it somewhere where one of the debs explains it if you want to search for it. I would but I'm on my iPad (and lazy)

Here is one of the threads on it, dunno if its the one youre thinking of Skag

Cheers mate. That wasn't the one I was thinking of though. There was a thread before that though (mentioned in this thread) where the devs gave us the actual input figures showing how there was a difference between the stick and dpad.

On looking, it sees that there are loads of threads on this topic. Here's one quote from Sebbbi..

surely you are at a disadvantage using the digital input, the d-pad and buttons.

Jorma uses digital gas/brake, and he used to have several top 100 scores. Digital buttons are faster to press, so you get full gas slightly sooner. But the flip side is that you have to mash the button on steep inclines. It takes some learning to get used to.

i recall was a dev confirmed that the Dpad actually did give you an advantage at the 45degree angles as this allowed for 100% at 45 degrees whereas the sticks only give out 85% or something. Not really an issue with the game itself but some skills games (Ski one) really need it.

You can also carve a bigger hole to the analog stick and you can reach 100% on diagonal as well

This problem will not exist in Evo. The dpad diagonal will give proper speed acceleration (1/sqrt(2) = 0.707 multiplier to x and y axis).

Also this..

Some analog stick have slightly different diagonal value range (wireless <-> wired), so with some controllers you almost have to use the D-pad in ski jump skill game to get full input in both direction.

I guess this would make sense, since playing a FPS with a wireless mouse is almost impossible (Counter-Strike 1.6 comes to mind).

I never thought about this in Trials though. Although it's not as fast paced a game as an FPS, i'm sure there are slight delays that occur when playing wirelessly. I'm going to have to buy one of those USB cable battery packs I guess.

I think you're misunderstanding what Jorma means. It's not about input delay, it's about the area of input the Analogue Stick can allow.

If you put a controller into a PC and check the analogue input, you get to see that diagonals are never at 100% of their horizontal or vertical potential, this is because the analogue stick is presented within a circle, thus we only get a circle's range.

To simplify (hopefully) a little, if I hold right, the axis goes from being 0, or neutral, to being 255, full right. But as I start to move the stick upwards to make it diagonal, that 255 value starts to go down.
At approximately to full diagonal, the input for 'right' is now only at about 170.
Where as, if I were to press diagonal up-right with the D-pad, both up and right would be at 255 each.

I believe, what Jorma is referring to, is the difference in how high those diagonal values go. The wired and wireless controllers must have subtle calibration or design differences allowing for a different scope of diagonal input.

Meaning, that because the analogue input, if I understand correctly, is grouped into 7 different levels of input per axis. So, for me, pressing that diagonal up-right, puts my rider into the leaning forward as far as group 5, but for my friend with his brand new and unworn pad, he may only get into group 3, maybe 4 at best.

However, this was all changed in Evo to ensure that the analogue stick was able to reach 100% inputs and reducing and advantage of using the dpad. It also forced most of the dpad users to switch to analogue (myself included) because of the extra contol it gives.

[Morfyboy]

I only used the D-Pad on trials HD for the skill games.i found i could improve on the skill games a heck if alot doing it this way..anyone should give it a shot and see..youll be suprised as i was..

[llno28ll]

Someone mentioned someone using buttons for gas/accelerate!?

Surely with the buttons its either full or nothing, with the triggers you have 40% gas or 24% or 80% and everything in between. Unless theres something I'm missing.

[SwagDeflector]

Proto Mano the multi accounting D holster uses the D-pad and gets top 15 runs like cake. Although he hasn't in a while to my knowledge.

Must've gotten bored like everyone else.

And thats infernotrials