Trials Evolution Xbox & Gold Edition Comparison Thread | Forums

[TheBlazeJp]

I remember when blaze started playing PC he even said that he thought the PC phoenix had slightly different physics. Which is why I bought the game in the first place. ( Can't really go back on your word can you now blaze....?)

How can I go back on a "word", I never said that. I have no recollection of every saying something even remotely like that.
I most definitely didn't say anything about the physics,

I said it felt slightly different.
And it does because of the input delay, The physics are the same.

[SwagDeflector]

I remember when blaze started playing PC he even said that he thought the PC phoenix had slightly different physics. Which is why I bought the game in the first place. ( Can't really go back on your word can you now blaze....?)

I didn't say anything about the physics,
I said it felt slightly different.
And it does because of the input delay, The physics are the same.

Mhhhhhhhhhhm. How is the input delay slower with a wired controller? It's faster.

[BigSh0tRob]

Wow, people still taking WRs?
Blaze that run was awesome, so was the tourney run.

Strongly disagree with crossplatform leaderboards tho.
Not going to get into wether pc is actually easier or harder than xbox because i dont have enough experience
on the pc to make that determination but the fact is that there is without a shadow of a doubt a difference in gameplay on pc vs xbox.

And you have even admitted this yourself so there is no need to get all defensive:

However without a doubt I can say this with a certainty from experience that there is a difference in the analog input delay in real time when you compare the PC to Xbox.
In trials minute timing differences could mean everything.
When gold first came out it took me a while to adjust from the xbox. And then cycling between the two platforms over the 1st month from release I felt there was significant controller input differences.
When I briefly came back to the xbox for the Trialympics online Contest again it took me a considerable amount of time to fully adjust back.
Then going back to to PC again there was another period of adjustment.

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[TheBlazeJp]

on the pc to make that determination but the fact is that there is without a shadow of a doubt a difference in gameplay on pc vs xbox.
And you have even admitted this yourself

I'm not being defensive, I'm discussing what I know and sharing my opinion dude. There is a difference my friend.

The timing differences are small, minute infact.
Since I said that I have learnt they do not come from the controller itself, They are a monitor/Tv delay to the best of what we have all discussed.
You can make them the same if you use the same input, Like for example HDMI to a TV, Instead of DVI or AVI to a monitor.
I may be wrong on this but this is what I have experienced.

Having said this the timing differences matter not,
Ask someone like stride who plays on the xbox and PC regulary.
His exact words in my stream chat:
"I play both games the same and notice no difference, they are both a laggy *** ** ***"

The difference if any is minute.

Like an athlete adapts to different weather conditions or humidity levels to perform to their maximum
Once you play enough you get used to it, You adapt fast. A players maximum potential on both platforms are the same.

Not 1 platform has any advantages over the other,
The physics are the same, the tracks are the same, and the gamplay is the same all down to the core.

Don't forget that Gold edition uses the core programming code of the xbox game.

And I will add that the small minute delay is on the PC side
And even for you xbox guys timings are different for each of you depending on how old or new your TV is.

A quote from Eddeman from that same topic you posted Rob: (http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/viewt...18192&start=30)

"One thing that I do find makes a difference is the input lag (or display lag) of the screen you are using.
I was visiting a friend of mine and played a bit of Trials on his LCD TV that is at least 5 years old with god knows how much input lag.
The gameplay felt very floaty and weird for me, it was still playable (if you don't mind sucking) but I was nowhere near my best because of the delay.

I'm guessing they won't be using 5-year old TVs at the finals though, but it still might throw you off a bit if it's very different to what you are used to.
Old CRT TVs and screens have next to no input lag at all, so I guess people using those would feel the most difference if LCDs are used."

Ultimately I don't see any reason atall why a record on the PC should not be considered a World Record

[willyums]

And I'm not saying it's not a valid topic to discuss. And In that discussion I have given my opinion that it is a point of view that is completely wrong. And that opinion is unique, baring in mind it comes from an individual with the most accumilated playtime over both the platforms.

Like an athlete adapts to different weather conditions or humidity levels to perform to their maximum
Once you play enough you get used to it, You adapt fast. A players maximum potential on both platforms are the same.

But that's exactly why your opinion isn't more discerning than Murdoc's, it's arguably less because as you say, you have had the most time out of anyone to get used to playing both together, to adapt to the potentially subtle differences and not notice them anymore.

None of this was a dig at you Blaze, wasn't even aimed at you, it was just that you are the only current example of a cross-platform wr (that I know of)

In fact the reason I find what Murdoc said worth talking about, is not because he played GE a lot.. its because at that time, he was still fairly new to it.
Meaning one of the most experienced trials players in the world went to Gold Edition and IMMEDIATELY noticed that it felt different, felt better and improved.
And he wasn't downplaying PC records, he was the one taking them. He was happy with the difference and had no cause to lie or exaggerate.

And no I'm not saying that his opinion is final and screw everyone else - just justifying why it's applicable, interesting and worth considering. If he was around now he might even go back on it and say actually there is no difference, and I've never even played GE. But if we are going to view the platforms equally then we should really be able to discuss all of this without aggro and hurt feelings imo.

[TheBlazeJp]

Murdoch also mentioned in that post that ["It's not all in my head"]. Some would view that line, even the sheer mention of it and not what he stated that there may be doubt to them in what he said.
It could even be that because when first playing the game he felt a difference. That wasn't physics orientated and because he was enjoying the HD tracks so much thats the opinion he surmised at that time.
Ultimately we don't know, we aren't him but we still shouldn't look at what he said from only one angle.

I understand what your'e saying willy but my opinion Isn't just my own, And I feel it's being missed.
There are many, many who share the same view as me who have played and own both platforms.
And only those here who have posted who have none to little experience on the PC are questioning what Iv'e brought up.

Stride is a great example of this, Hes given me his opinion and its the same as mine.
Stride is mainly an xbox player, but he is always switching between both.

[xzamplez]

@Blaze: And WILLYUMZ isn`t the only person questioning the possibility of an uneven playing field. Any difference in gameplay (even input delay) makes the topic of separation legitimate. The defensive responses are unnecessary.

[willyums]

But that's why it's not PC bashing here Blaze. It works both ways.
What if xbox has a big advantage in one area including less input delay? It wouldn't be fair to compare them - the point is if they are different at all, even if the difference is minimal, cross platform wrs are dodgy.

[TheBlazeJp]

Willy why do I have to say for another time in the last 24 hours, that I do not think there is any PC bashing?
Not once have I said or insinuated that my friend.

We are merely In discussion.

And in this discussion the point is being brought up.
Everyone questioning it hasn't either played the PC or hasn't been able to because of graphics card not being good enough
Everyone agreeing with me has played both PC and xbox a alot


The pattern here is exactly that:
Everyone who has played both a lot whom have been involved in this discussion they agree with all I have brought up. And those who are questioning the possibility either do not or remain questioning it, even when this is clear and has been stated by many users with alot of combined platform experience.

[willyums]

Willy why do I have to say for another time in the last 24 hours, that I do not think there is any PC bashing?
Not once have I said or insinuated that my friend.

But that post comes across as nothing more then an attempt to discredit anything PC guys have done and any future records they may get.

Last page you said that ^ to me, and I am just making sure that my point gets across properly, and without offending anyone.

The pattern here is exactly that:
Everyone who has played both a lot whom have been involved in this discussion they agree with all I have brought up. And those who are questioning the possibility either do not or remain questioning it, even when this is clear.

As I said, playing a lot of both may not make someone the best judge of the subtleties. If I played GE today for the first time and noticed a couple of small differences - the more I play from then on, the less I will notice those differences.

When I quoted Murdoc, I wasnt downplaying PC records any more than you were downplaying xbox records when talking about the pc input delay.
And you know better than anyone that is something you were definitely not trying to imply, same goes for me