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[shamusmon]

With BF3 if you sold it on, there would not be another person added to the servers as the online code could only be used once

[RetiredRonin]

I Hope im not quoting out of context here but upon reading another post i came across this >

Many developers charge for an online pass to see a bit of profit from used games. I think that this is a good workaround other than the fact that used game resellers charge $5 less than new, and a pass is usually $10. If MS or Sony charge that from used games and give 100% (which they would not) of those funds to developers, then I wouldn't care at all if used games were locked out unless a small fee were charged.

It would just take too much work to get too many people on the same page.

Personally I dont understand why developers/MS/Sony etc are so bothered about this as there not loosing out on any profit at all?

This is a bit out of context, and you are mistaken.

You buy a game, the developer sees a profit and you get the entertainment of playing the game.

You sell the game to GameStop for cash and you still had the entertainment from playing the game.

GameStop sells the game for $20-40 more than what they paid you and the developer sees nothing. So now 2 people have played the game while only 1 sale helped the developer to continue to make games.

By having preowned titles require an online pass, developers and publishers are better able to see how many people are REALLY playing the game, and getting a bit of payment for their work.

[rlmergeuser]

GameStop sells the game for $20-40 more than what they paid you and the developer sees nothing. So now 2 people have played the game while only 1 sale helped the developer to continue to make games.

By having preowned titles require an online pass, developers and publishers are better able to see how many people are REALLY playing the game, and getting a bit of payment for their work.

If some focused on making good games then maybe they wouldn't need to resort to these models.
That said graphics is the real problem, game budgets are way too high these days because of graphical content alone. With the development costs of next gen expected to be higher (thanks to improved graphics), it can all only get worse.

There should always be a few gems that slip through, and the indie movement is going strong.

I am growing tired of the gaming industry as a whole. Always online DRM crap, day one DLC, online passes, motion controls, touch screen controls, huge focus on multiplayer, microtransactions, ect. It is all driving me away from one of my favorite passtimes. I honestly dont see myself playing videogames anymore in the near future, except for the occasional nes or snes emulator.

Yes!

There is plenty more to list, but most importantly lets not forget the actual contents of your average "AAA" game.
But that is subjective, some people actually like barely interactive poorly directed movie games, so I digress.

[rlmergeuser]

except for the occasional nes or snes emulator.

I'm with you there, I love a bit of retro gaming.

There's an emulator called zsnes, which can be played over a LAN and presumably the Internet although I've never tried. So now I can play multiplayer Mario Kart at work with my mates at lunch. Superb.

[rlmergeuser]

except for the occasional nes or snes emulator.

I'm with you there, I love a bit of retro gaming.

There's an emulator called zsnes, which can be played over a LAN and presumably the Internet although I've never tried. So now I can play multiplayer Mario Kart at work with my mates at lunch. Superb.

Problem with emulators is they give every game quicksave/load, which I do not approve of in the slightest! However most of the time you can still use the original save systems anyway, and you only get the proper experience if you ignore quicksave/load, though some games it is for the best to use it.

[rlmergeuser]

That's not a problem, it's an asset. It means I can get past all the damn annoying levels that frustrated the hell out of me when I was a kid. You arn't forced to use it after all.

[jook13]

except for the occasional nes or snes emulator.

I'm with you there, I love a bit of retro gaming.

There's an emulator called zsnes, which can be played over a LAN and presumably the Internet although I've never tried. So now I can play multiplayer Mario Kart at work with my mates at lunch. Superb.

Problem with emulators is they give every game quicksave/load, which I do not approve of in the slightest! However most of the time you can still use the original save systems anyway, and you only get the proper experience if you ignore quicksave/load, though some games it is for the best to use it.

THanks to the quick save/ load system, I can play through Mario 3 without using the whistle. I dont have to leave the system on in between play sessions. I love the feature.

[willyums]

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/n...pdated%5D.html

^ this annoyed me, more his attitude than the always online thing whether its true or not - either way the 720 is becoming less appealing all the time

[D2Dahaka]

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-14555-Microsoft-Creative-Director-Defends-Always-Online-Tech-Following-Latest-Xbox-720-Rumours-%5BUpdated%5D.html

^ this annoyed me, more his attitude than the always online thing whether its true or not - either way the 720 is becoming less appealing all the time

Seems like one of those corporate wankers who sits an in ivory tower with no grasp of practical reality.

[rlmergeuser]

Sorry i took the quote out of context shifty, n i can see where you're coming from but u can apply that logic to anything that you buy brand new (most companies dont tho)

ShiftySamurai wrote:

You buy a game, the developer sees a profit and you get the entertainment of playing the game.

You buy a movie, the creator sees a profit and you get the entertainment of watching the movie.

You sell the game to GameStop for cash and you still had the entertainment from playing the game.

You sell the movie to Cash convertors (UK) and you still had the entertainment of watching the movie.

GameStop sells the game for $20-40 more than what they paid you and the developer sees nothing. So now 2 people have played the game while only 1 sale helped the developer to continue to make games.

Cash convertors sell the movie for more than what they paid you and the creator sees nothing. So now 2 people have seen the movie while only 1 sale helped the creator to continue to make movies. (remember there are plenty of other options to sell something where a middle man doesn't have to be involved e.g Ebay/direct to friends/giving the item away because ure nice/cba to sell it)

By having preowned titles require an online pass, developers and publishers are better able to see how many people are REALLY playing the game, and getting a bit of payment for their work.

I dont see the logic as ure never seeing how many people are playing the game, yes u can determine how many times the game has made a sale, but some might have bought it and not liked it and moved on to another game ... it happens quite a lot + the developer has already received a payment for the game

My thoughts are that you can apply the above to pretty much anything, but im pretty sure that you would find it massively unfair if you bought a 2nd hand car from the 2nd hand car sales garage, and they told you that you had to pay the manufacturer some more cash before you`ll be allowed to have it .... say it was a piece if artwork -u buy the original, decide to resell it, but then have to tell ure buyer they cannot view/have it unless they pay the original artist some more cash?? come on!!

The 2nd hand market is called the 2nd hand market due to the reason that it has been already sold in the 1st hand market n the company that sold it really should just increase the price of it to represent what they thinks its worth in the 1st place ... we all know that if there is a really good game released people will play good money for it.

I dont think the anyway the Devs try to sell it, it always looks like its purely for profit and not things like stats.


Are Game companies really going bust If so you've got to ask the natural question - is that because the games they are releasing either not just good enuf and that people just dont like them? Or is it because massive Global Gaming companies are sucking the blood out of them and leaving them with not a lot of profit for themselves? If its the 1st option - tough! make something better then If its the latter, then in all fairness they shouldn't have signed up with them in the 1st place n should have thought about it a bit more!
Also game companies have been going bust for years, but there are still people making games, a lot of them who have moved to or created a new firm, came from these bust companies in the 1st place, gaming doesn't just stop because there is a massive market for it out there n someone is bound to try and capitalize on it.

jook13: I was growing tired of the gaming industry too in a way n thats why i started to have a look around at the Free to play games(windows) some of these games are actually free and some have options to purchase extras if u really like the game, i`ll give League of Legends a plug here - its not bad, but it has its bugs.

However im in the process of buggering off M$ completely on my PC n using Linux Mint instead, apart from the obvious benefits of using Linux compared to windows, gaming has really come a far way since i used it 4-5 years ago and the thing i find even better is that a hell of a lot of the really good games are totally free to d/l and play, the devs do the oldskool thing and ask for a donation if you liked the game, of which when they get allows them to carry on creating. Check it out http://www.penguspy.com/#/All/free/o...view=1/limit=0 (havent got it yet but Zero-k will be d/l`d soon its basically a updated 3D Total Annihilation )

JaminBen007: Massive thumbs up for advising about the "zsnes" emulator!! Cheers Dude