Justifying NINJA Levels in Evo. | Forums

[rlmergeuser]

Avoiding the majority of tracks that use the Ninja tag means that you are in the minority of players who think that the "Ninja" tag means "Harder than extreme and nothing more". This also does not make my view (which is the one commonly held by Trials players) incorrect.

Most tracks tagged "Ninja" in Trials Evolution's Track Central use gimmicky obstacles. = 100% Undeniable Fact. And nowhere did I say that I hate Ninja tracks.

I don't think that's whats being discussed though. Just because a track is tagged as "Ninja" doesn't make it actually a Ninja track. Ninja levels are only applicable to actual Ninja tracks.

Ninja looks weird when you read it too many times

Ninja Ninja Ninja Ninja Ninja

[RetiredRonin]

Well, who actually decides what a Ninja track is? The 20 people who make them "correctly" and list them on the forum, or the thousands who make them "incorrectly" and don't ever visit the forum?

[rlmergeuser]

Well, who actually decides what a Ninja track is? The 20 people who make them "correctly" and list them on the forum, or the thousands who make them "incorrectly" and don't ever visit the forum?

The first one. Facts aren't decided by democracy.

[JoeRegular]

Seems like you're just being argumetative for the sake of it Shifty. You were around in the HD Ninja era, you even made a track or 2. Just because RL provided a Ninja tag for people to slap on **** tracks doesn't make those tracks Ninja...the reason the whole gimmick/pirate thing started.

[willyums]

there is alot of truth to that. Thats for sure, but i wouldnt say that ninja tracks are luck. If they were luck you would see different people beat level 4 tracks everytime but thats not the case. It's always the same 3-6 people. Myself, TBNSoty, DannersMac, aBz xMaGiiK, Telarix, and Southsinger.

I understand you're proud of being able to complete hard tracks, but I didnt say that ninja tracks are luck.
there is a certain amount of luck in all things, and though trials is an extremely skilful game, you will sometimes get lucky and sometimes be very unlucky.

if you 0 fault a level two ninja first time, then play it again and get 15 faults... is that because you got kinda lucky the first time or because the track was easier first time?
and the number of people that have passed a track doesn't tell you that much. im confident, if I tried to, I could pass almost any track thats been uploaded to TC. but Im not interested in ninjas and a lot of other skilled riders dont play them either - hence the same people on the leaderboards of all the hardest tracks.

[DannersMac]

We can sort this whole mess out by categorising ninja-difficulty tracks as:

1. Really hard
2. Really, really hard


Or get really specific, e.g. 'Yeah man that track was totally free-jazz hardcore grind-pop'

[RetiredRonin]

Seems like you're just being argumetative for the sake of it Shifty. You were around in the HD Ninja era, you even made a track or 2.

I'm really not, and I apologize if that's the way it's being seen, and yes, I do like super difficult tracks.

You were around in the HD Ninja era, you even made a track or 2. Just because RL provided a Ninja tag for people to slap on **** tracks doesn't make those tracks Ninja...the reason the whole gimmick/pirate thing started.

But when does the use of the tag start to dictate the meaning? When people see Ninja, and it means "no front tire touches red" or "no rear tire touches green", then it keeps propagating until the vast majority of users think the same thing and you have 500 no-tire-touch tracks for every 1 more-difficult-than-extreme track.

People are going to assume that the no-tire-touch tracks are Ninja, and the 1 more-difficult-than-extreme track is labeled incorrectly.

I'm not being argumentative, I'm just saying that Ninja in regards to the vast majority of Trials HD players meant something totally different than what Ninja means to the vast majority of Trials Evolution players.

[ClutchMystaFlex]

Seems like you're just being argumetative for the sake of it Shifty. You were around in the HD Ninja era, you even made a track or 2.

I'm really not, and I apologize if that's the way it's being seen, and yes, I do like super difficult tracks.

You were around in the HD Ninja era, you even made a track or 2. Just because RL provided a Ninja tag for people to slap on **** tracks doesn't make those tracks Ninja...the reason the whole gimmick/pirate thing started.

But when does the use of the tag start to dictate the meaning? When people see Ninja, and it means "no front tire touches red" or "no rear tire touches green", then it keeps propagating until the vast majority of users think the same thing and you have 500 no-tire-touch tracks for every 1 more-difficult-than-extreme track.

People are going to assume that the no-tire-touch tracks are Ninja, and the 1 more-difficult-than-extreme track is labeled incorrectly.

I'm not being argumentative, I'm just saying that Ninja in regards to the vast majority of Trials HD players meant something totally different than what Ninja means to the vast majority of Trials Evolution players.

Are you trying to say that Back tire/Front tire only tracks are easy and dont take skill? If they are done wrong then i agree that they can be gimmicky but then there is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1q0VmPVbQ8

If you tell me that takes no skill you're completely wrong. @ Willyumz. i agree with your outlook the most on this.

[ClutchMystaFlex]

I'd like to note that if your opinion is different then mine and i argue against it don't take it personally. I'm enjoying this frinedly debate

[RetiredRonin]

Are you trying to say that Back tire/Front tire only tracks are easy and dont take skill? If they are done wrong then i agree that they can be gimmicky but then there is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1q0VmPVbQ8

If you tell me that takes no skill you're completely wrong. @ Willyumz. i agree with your outlook the most on this.

Golf games are not easy either. Does that make them Ninja? No, it makes them gimmicky, just like the "don't touch this color with this tire or else" tracks. It's no longer a track, it's a skill game.