Hi guys,
I've always enjoyed the challenge of figuring out scoring systems. Made a global score spreadsheet for myself for Trials 2, for instance. Never did play Trials HD, but now that I have Evo (and an XBox to play Evo on) it's fun to try and figure out the new Evo scoring system. I know some other guys here are in progress trying to figure it out too, but I haven't yet managed to get in contact with them. I hope they're not feeling like I'm stepping on their toes or anything.
Meanwhile, I think I've nailed down the scoring system - it's different that in HD. Every difficulty level has a different set of multipliers, tournaments have their own multipliers too, and each track has a unique hand chosen "100%" time for scaling points for times better than the platinum threshold. In HD, the 100% time was effectively 0 seconds: the time you would have to run to achieve the max score of 200,000. In Evo, the 100% time is typically about 45% of the platinum time, to achieve the maximum score of 360,000.
I have the majority of the difficulty level multipliers based on my own observations of global score changes, but I don't have data points for the majority of the tournaments (and probably won't for a long time - have to get to less than 6 faults to get a valid data point). And while I have a few of the tracks' 100% times, I also need to record the global score change of a platinum result on all the other tracks and tournaments to extract the remaining 100% times.
I will be continuing to hit up the tracks where I don't have data points myself, but I figured I would ask if anyone is interested in helping out with the project by recording their global score changes if they happen to be working on one of these remaining tracks. We could very quickly nail down all these values and have a working score spreadsheet in just a couple of days. At the moment using that 45% estimate of the 100% time for the unknowns, it's only a couple of hundred points away from having my score right - at this point it's just a matter of finalizing these last few 100% scores.
For instance, here's an example of the data needed to be recorded, from the last track I just worked on.
Let's say I don't know the 100% time at Titan Graveyard and need a recorded platinum run to find that data. First, record your existing track time and global score.
Then, after improving your time, record your new time and global score:
track: Titan Graveyard
before: 0 faults, 1:12.591, 16,065,283
after: 0 faults, 1:09.114, 16,072,218
then I plug those numbers into a spreadsheet here and it tells me that the 100% time for this track is 40.0 seconds.
So, if you're willing to help out here (thanks!) and you're thinking about going for a platinum at any one of these tracks, please record your before and after times and scores, and post here.
I will update this first post as tracks get nailed down, so it's easy to see what tracks are remaining to process.
EDIT: We've got all the data now! thanks!
Tracks needing a platinum data point
Walk in the Park (Beginner)
DONE - Ridge Tracer
DONE - Beach Head
DONE - Dunes Of Hazard
DONE - Downhill Dominator
DONE - Moto Madness
Fuel for the Flames (Easy)
DONE - Oil Crisis
DONE - Sunset Stripped
DONE - Strike
DONE - Elevation
DONE - Cliff Jumper
DONE - Ridinghood
DONE - Gas 'n' Go
Terminal Velocity (Medium)
DONE - Rock Steady
DONE - Roller Coaster
DONE - Sewage Plant
DONE - Suspense
DONE - Tribal Trouble
DONE - Falling Down
DONE - Pier Pressure
DONE - Titan Graveyard
DONE - Train Yard
DONE - Meltdown
DONE - Lookout Point
DONE - Prospector
Collateral Damage (Medium)
DONE - Archipelago
DONE - Dockside
DONE - Mind Bender
DONE - Harbor Havok
DONE - Trials of Limbo
DONE - Power Plant
DONE - Tree Hugger
DONE - Swamp Fever
DONE - Castle Crash
DONE - Gigatrack
Cutting Edge (Hard)
DONE - Home Run
DONE - Physics Factory
DONE - Around The Ranch
DONE - Oil Rig Run
DONE - RedLynx Moto-Jam
DONE - Dammed
DONE - The Ascent
DONE - Lab Rat
Death Valley (Hard)
DONE - Logging On
DONE - Down in the Dumps
DONE - Warehouse 28
DONE - Under Construction
DONE - Storm Drain
DONE - Scrapyard
DONE - Groundhog Asylum
DONE - Bridge Of Trials
Flatliner (Extreme)
DONE - Truth Is Out There
DONE - Out Of The Pit
DONE - Fishy Business
DONE - Dark City Run
DONE - The Wreck
DONE - Way Of The Ninja
DONE - Inferno 3
Tournaments
DONE - Even Flow
DONE - Cutting Corners
DONE - School of Rock
DONE - Fantastic Voyages
DONE - Scenic Route
DONE - Sink Or Swim
DONE - Destroyed Beauty
DONE - Enduro
DONE - Industrial Revolution
DONE - Urban Legends
DONE - Trash Talk
DONE - Test Your Might
For the tournaments, I also need to have some 1 to 5 fault slower-than-platinum runs recorded so I can identify the various multipliers being used for each tournament. Most of these I've only done a single pass through and have like a million faults on them so far, so could do with help here
Tracks needing a 1 to 5 fault data point
Tournaments
DONE - Even Flow
DONE - Cutting Corners
DONE - School of Rock
DONE - Fantastic Voyages
DONE - Scenic Route
DONE - Sink Or Swim
DONE - Destroyed Beauty
DONE - Enduro
DONE - Industrial Revolution
DONE - Urban Legends
DONE - Trash Talk
DONE - Test Your Might
thanks to anyone would would like to help out with this little project!!
EDITS: updating what tracks are DONE
Senior Community Manager
Please hook up with MegaTrainthink), he's been working on this same thing.
This is as good a place as any. No problem, GrantR, you're not stepping on my toes. You've gotten further than I have on figuring out the actual calculations, but I've got all the score changes for every run I've ever taken (quite a list). With you and me together, we should be able to figure it all out.
So, does this mean you have a preliminary score formula, just pending the "100% time" determination for each track? Care to share it?
I have platinum on all beginner, easy, and medium so far. Also a few hard, one expert, and a couple of tournaments. That should get us most of the way there.
So is the "100% time" only a factor for scores of platinum or better? Or does it factor into lower-medal times? If so, we don't necessarily need to get platinum on a track to calculate it.
Here are some sample scores for the first track, Ridge Tracer. Let me know if these give you what you need:
Ridge Tracer, first track I ran, these are successive runs:
12 faults, 0:55.830 (bronze) Score: 59,418
4 faults, 0:38.197 Score: 60,015
0 faults, 0:46.253 (silver) Score: 168,7385
0 faults, 0:33.047 (gold) Score: 240,694
I came back several times later and increased my score:
0 faults, 0:27.793 Score increase: 10,491,310 to 10,533,530
0 faults, 0:27.256 Score increase: 16,897,438 to 16,901,753
0 faults, 0:26.495 (platinum) Score increase: 18,581,052 to 18,586,934
Does this help? Do you need this much detail? Or just the very last gold-to-platinum score jump?
Thanks for posting, MegaTrain
that's good data. My formula gives correct score for all of your entries, and your platinum time gives the 100% time of 15.0 seconds. thanks! That first track is a pain to get a plat time on. I couldn't better my pre-existing plat there. I've re-platted all the other beginner tracks today, so they're nailed down now.
For the first list of all tracks in my first post I just need plat times and score changes. The tournaments I also need some 1-6 fault score changes too.
If you want to post data for any tracks on the list, that would be great!
I can share the math. It'll take a bit to write it up, I'll save that for a seperate post. I'll send you my whole spreadsheet too when I'm 100% sure of the math and clean it up a bit.
Cool. I'm doing data entry on all my scores at the moment, I'll paste in the scores on all the platinum runs when I get it done!
Trials Developer
Maybe Jorma should spill the beans and give you the updated formulas and weights for each track
aww, but that ruins the fun
I PM'ed him, but didn't hear backOriginally Posted by sebbbiMaybe Jorma should spill the beans and give you the updated formulas and weights for each track
Ok, here are all my platinums.
First 3 columns are my prior time and prior track score, followed by platinum time and score increase. Comma-delimited, so you can just paste it into your spreadsheet:
Track,Prior Faults,Prior Time,Prior Score,Faults,Time,Difference
Ridge Tracer,0,0:27.256,287229,0,0:26.495,5882
Beach Head,0,0:25.259,279426,0,0:23.674,15275
Dunes of Hazard,0,0:29.100,288001,0,0:27.840,7799
Downhill Dominator,0,0:32.232,288026,0,0:31.123,7957
Moto Madness,0,0:29.577,287607,0,0:28.512,8164
Oil Crisis,0,0:49.115,257667,0,0:42.922,44325
Sunset Stripped,0,0:42.663,290055,0,0:41.810,10658
Strike,0,0:27.680,269455,0,0:25.793,31675
Elevation,0,0:41.853,267647,0,0:33.459,53599
Elevation,0,0:33.459,321246,0,0:33.216,1458
Cliff Jumper,0,0:30.961,288468,0,0:29.672,13173
Ridinghood,0,0:57.141,264373,0,0:51.420,35851
Gas 'n 'Go,0,0:33.240,285120,0,0:31.435,17140
Rock Steady,0,0:36.360,298575,0,0:34.672,9882
Roller Coaster,0,1:00.224,297973,0,0:56.247,13678
Sewage Plant,0,0:41.066,287380,0,0:37.803,20695
Suspense,0,0:39.841,298696,0,0:38.028,10419
Tribal Trouble,0,0:38.834,293276,0,0:36.587,15799
Falling Down,0,0:50.154,304727,0,0:48.256,5323
Pier Pressure,0,0:32.403,301947,0,0:31.539,6479
Titan Graveyard,0,1:14.473,294388,0,1:10.415,16176
Train Yard,0,0:40.661,292043,0,0:37.705,18288
Meltdown,0,0:45.281,295033,0,0:42.144,16782
Lookout Point,0,0:45.272,301954,0,0:44.013,6417
Prospector,0,0:50.528,307411,0,0:50.002,1365
Archipelago,0,0:46.153,302299,0,0:44.350,7372
Dockside,0,0:51.392,300192,0,0:48.803,9403
Mindbender,0,0:53.410,284034,0,0:48.151,27214
Harbor Havok,0,0:40.013,287728,0,0:36.359,21752
Trials of Limbo,0,0:43.543,301737,0,0:42.389,6022
Power Plant,0,0:33.755,297903,0,0:30.168,16467
Tree Hugger,0,0:51.499,295573,0,0:48.671,12523
Swamp Fever,0,0:31.728,0,0,0:27.979,310263
Castle Crash,0,0:35.681,306383,0,0:35.155,2286
Gigatrack,2,7:11.899,81253,0,6:53.386,228177
Oil Rig Run,0,0:57.292,314514,0,0:52.086,8595
The Ascent,0,0:53.904,309722,0,0:41.299,17031
Under Construction,1,1:08.469,182187,0,0:48.465,146854
Truth is Out There,1,0:42.642,275077,0,0:39.387,74133
Here are all my tournament scores (all runs included):
Only plat on a couple, gold on the rest.
Track,Faults,Time,Score,Medal
Even Flow,38,3:41.792,56829,Bronze
Even Flow,2,2:22.208,123022,Silver
Even Flow,2,2:13.357,125858,Silver
Even Flow,1,2:15.962,190384,Gold
Even Flow,0,2:07.157,327681,Platinum
Cutting Corners,19,4:45.326,58743,Bronze
Cutting Corners,6,3:54.154,106980,Silver
Cutting Corners,3,3:32.898,176364,Silver
Cutting Corners,2,3:45.482,211202,Silver
Cutting Corners,2,3:28.162,216638,Silver
Cutting Corners,1,3:45.003,261802,Gold
Cutting Corners,0,3:16.330,342292,Platinum
School of Rock,29,4:11.210,57747,Bronze
School of Rock,9,3:48.063,59751,Silver
School of Rock,2,3:35.799,210921,Gold
School of Rock,2,3:16.220,216003,Gold
School of Rock,1,3:24.152,265258,Gold
School of Rock,1,3:11.756,269548,Gold
Fantastic Voyages,56,10:38.564,55027,Bronze
Fantastic Voyages,16,6:53.323,59046,Silver
Fantastic Voyages,5,5:18.214,126065,Silver
Fantastic Voyages,3,5:20.420,177129,Gold
Scenic Route,52,5:28.082,55458,Bronze
Scenic Route,30,6:23.610,57649,Silver
Scenic Route,4,4:24.727,148528,Gold
Scenic Route,0,4:27.629,339253,Gold
Sink or Swim,57,3:25.067,54967,Bronze
Sink or Swim,21,4:22.730,58549,Silver
Sink or Swim,10,3:48.048,59657,Silver
Sink or Swim,4,3:25.364,146843,Gold
Destroyed Beauty,118,4:36.409,48855,Bronze
Destroyed Beauty,40,5:48.388,56648,Silver
Destroyed Beauty,10,3:35.345,59666,Gold
Destroyed Beauty,4,3:16.554,147675,Gold
Enduro,54,2:40.753,55260,Bronze
Enduro,15,2:52.490,59156,Silver
Enduro,1,1:56.110,271967,Gold
Industrial Revolution,67,8:46.061,53944,Bronze
Industrial Revolution,29,5:20.608,57757,Silver
Industrial Revolution,28,5:20.645,57857,Silver
Industrial Revolution,11,4:45.506,59564,Gold
Urban Legends,76,4:19.407,53050,Bronze
Urban Legends,18,4:10.872,58851,Silver
Urban Legends,7,3:31.304,59963,Gold
Urban Legends,6,3:24.357,108682,Gold
Trash Talk,81,8:17.343,52550,Bronze
Trash Talk,51,5:33.837,55564,Silver
Trash Talk,9,4:34.587,59770,Gold
Test Your Might,1900,32:52.628,10048,Bronze
Test Your Might,451,18:27.083,15566,Silver
Test Your Might,186,22:23.382,42060,Silver
Test Your Might,138,22:12.493,46861,Gold
