Trials Evolution: Feedback and Suggestion Thread | Forums

[sebastianaalton]

Uploading multiple versions of the same tracks should be blocked out-right.
Its absolutely frustrating to see the track you've worked on for 30 plus hours get bumped off from track central by some stupid “ver 1.2“, 1.3, 1.4, by a player who cant be bothered to test their tracks correctly.

For us human beings it's easy to spot similarities between two tracks, but for a computer it's a much much harder problem. What should be considered "the same track"? If we block submission then players will just rename the new versions and do some silly unnoticeable modifications until the system doesn't recognize it anymore of being "the same track".

Also another problem with blocking "same tracks" being submitted multiple times is that the game doesn't know what you have submitted earlier, unless it loads every track you have submitted ever, and compares the new track to each of them. This of course takes time and wastes a lot of server bandwidth (likely causing lag to the whole system).

So, all in all, it's not a good solution. It's easy to circumvent and wastes lots of server resources (causing extra lag to the system).

Failing that there should be the option for creators to remove their track from track central if a glitch is discovered, thus preserving the integrity of those tracks already uploaded. Said track then could be removed, edited, and re-uploaded with its stats reset to 0.

Good in theory, but people would exploit this system if we allowed everyone to remove their tracks without a reason. Leaderboards (and replays) are an important feature of the game, and people commit a lot of time to play user tracks. We do not want to allow a single individual to delete hard work of tens of thousands players with just a single button press.

There should always be a good reason why a track gets deleted (it's leaderboard gets wiped out). This can't be automated, since computers do not understand and can't verify reasons behind the errors (if it would understand the problem, it could also fix it). People can (and many actually have) sent us requests to delete old versions of their tracks. But this is time consuming, as we have to verify that the new track is actually better. It's often a matter of taste if people like the new version more than the older one. The old one can be much more popular. So which one to delete?

So, we ask you to review tracks. If you do not like that someone posts duplicates, give them all a single star review. If enough players are doing this, the problem disappears. I always review duplicates and really bad gimmick tracks with a single star. I even complete all those "golf/hole in the wall" skill games just that I can give them one star

[rlmergeuser]

@sebbbi So could a "sharing" system similar to THD be implemented? So leaderboards aren't lost...they just aren't visible to the pubic. If this can be done....please don't limit it to the 6 or 7 that it was in THD.

**edit**
Just to clerify. Everything would remain the same, except whether or not certain tracks are public or private essentially.

[rlmergeuser]

Honestly I dont mind downloading a track again that was fixed, but its an interesting topic... Dont duplicate tracks take up more space aswell? Im guessing not much, but this fix seems like it might save space ultimately, just sayin.

[Happyflow]

So, we ask you to review tracks. If you do not like that someone posts duplicates, give them all a single star review. If enough players are doing this, the problem disappears. I always review duplicates and really bad gimmick tracks with a single star. I even complete all those "golf/hole in the wall" skill games just that I can give them one star

Same applies for this one. Good in theory but not in practice. Unless RedLynx makes all our votes count ten times as much, we ( the objective raters) are a minority... This world sadly isn't a Utopia.

An upload limit of 2 tracks per day within the first week of purchase would prevent a lot of duplicates since inexperienced people would become more careful with what they upload.

[rlmergeuser]

Thanks for the reply Sebbbi, I stand corrected for the duplicate post, although you'll note that the second also has a tutorial to help allieviate the issue.

Instead of a delete anytime function, only allow tracks to be removed within 24, 36, or 48 hrs after posting. this gives the uploader time to pull a track and make repairs not found in previous testing, and leaves room on track central for everyone.
If I enjoy a track, I play it repeatedly. If someone found a glitch, and all of a sudden the leaderboards were full of glitched times, it wouldnt bother me 1 iota to have to re-download a repaired version to stand an honest chance at the leaderboard.

For now, i'll be reporting multiple versions of the same track for discrimination; on the basis that their spamming is preventing other users the right to see their tracks remain in place on track central.
And for the record, I do play through trash for the chance to rate, although from past experience it seems that an average of 1 in 10 people bother to rate.

Uploading multiple versions of the same tracks should be blocked out-right.
Its absolutely frustrating to see the track you've worked on for 30 plus hours get bumped off from track central by some stupid “ver 1.2“, 1.3, 1.4, by a player who cant be bothered to test their tracks correctly.

For us human beings it's easy to spot similarities between two tracks, but for a computer it's a much much harder problem. What should be considered "the same track"? If we block submission then players will just rename the new versions and do some silly unnoticeable modifications until the system doesn't recognize it anymore of being "the same track".

Also another problem with blocking "same tracks" being submitted multiple times is that the game doesn't know what you have submitted earlier, unless it loads every track you have submitted ever, and compares the new track to each of them. This of course takes time and wastes a lot of server bandwidth (likely causing lag to the whole system).

So, all in all, it's not a good solution. It's easy to circumvent and wastes lots of server resources (causing extra lag to the system).

Failing that there should be the option for creators to remove their track from track central if a glitch is discovered, thus preserving the integrity of those tracks already uploaded. Said track then could be removed, edited, and re-uploaded with its stats reset to 0.

Good in theory, but people would exploit this system if we allowed everyone to remove their tracks without a reason. Leaderboards (and replays) are an important feature of the game, and people commit a lot of time to play user tracks. We do not want to allow a single individual to delete hard work of tens of thousands players with just a single button press.

There should always be a good reason why a track gets deleted (it's leaderboard gets wiped out). This can't be automated, since computers do not understand and can't verify reasons behind the errors (if it would understand the problem, it could also fix it). People can (and many actually have) sent us requests to delete old versions of their tracks. But this is time consuming, as we have to verify that the new track is actually better. It's often a matter of taste if people like the new version more than the older one. The old one can be much more popular. So which one to delete?

So, we ask you to review tracks. If you do not like that someone posts duplicates, give them all a single star review. If enough players are doing this, the problem disappears. I always review duplicates and really bad gimmick tracks with a single star. I even complete all those "golf/hole in the wall" skill games just that I can give them one star

[stllbreathnbdy]

This New highest rated trials page is absolute nonsense. All you ever find is hard and hardcore tracks taking up 90% of the list. It appears the community doesn't give a **** about well designed beginner, easy and medium tracks. The only way to get attention from the elitists is to make super hard tracks. I'm pretty good at this game, I can handle extreme. But most of these ex. Tracks being so highly rated are crap, and they're getting great scores because it's difficult, not necessarily good.

What's going on is only the things that are trending end up getting noticed.

What track central NEEDS to give more tracks the attention they deserve, is put in pages of the highest rated tracks according to what tier of downloads they have, REGARDLESS of how old it is. What I'm saying is this, have a page of the top tracks, with under 1000 downloads, 1000+ - 10,000, 10,000-50,000downloads, and 50,000+downloads, all organized by the highest rated at the top. When a track passes a threshold, it leaves that pool of tracks and is eligible for the next tier. So many more tracks will get noticed then if you use these parameters AND can search by difficulty and tag etc. this will constantly cycle tracks through. old tracks will then always be given a second chance at life. Let's face it. Tons of well scored tracks are only findable for 24 hours. A lot of people will miss them.

It's designed to work like a bargain bin. NOTHING brand new will be eligible for say, two days. Otherwise, this horrible cycle will continue and great tracks will still get buried.

I love this game. It's the most incredible value I've ever seen. But as someone who puts a lot of work into there tracks, it's hard to watch it disappear in less than a week because of an imperfect system and they dont follow trends.

Please consider what this could do for track central

[stllbreathnbdy]

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[stllbreathnbdy]

So, we ask you to review tracks. If you do not like that someone posts duplicates, give them all a single star review. If enough players are doing this, the problem disappears. I always review duplicates and really bad gimmick tracks with a single star. I even complete all those "golf/hole in the wall" skill games just that I can give them one star

A scary precident. What if that person included things they didn't understand how to do when they released it the first time? There's so much potential in the editor, a person can continue to learn for perhaps a limitless amount of time. Itd be a shame to never perfect a track and post it because the hatred for resubmissions. Resubmitting a track with modifications spawned from new leanings should be ok. Or were you more referring to resubmissions with no discernible changes only?

[rlmergeuser]

i dont know if this has been asked for yet (mostlikly has been) but i would love for your next dlc to contain the high, low and middle notes of a piano. a,b,c,d,e,f and g
(21 notes in total). or have just the middle 7 and have it so +25 to pitch is high and -25 is low.

ive been trying to create diffrent theams, 1 i thought might be easy was the start of"twilight zone" or "jaws"thaem, both the same sort of start, but doing all this by ear is very hard when you can only change the pitch to try get the note you need, and even then you have no clue if its correct.

hoo! and by any chance would you tell us how many tracks so far have been uploaded to TC?

[B0RG1OF1]

its extremely easy to make a scale. once you have, save it to favourites. there are plenty of free websites to help you tune your "piano" if you dont have any instruments.