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[IFTHISTHENTHAT]

^^^

That there is some good digging goldfinch.

I think we've got another valuable connection to the bigger picture.

[canarysings]

ok, after 10 hours+ of "hunting it down" i have finished my "journey".

Now its YOUR turn to release it, and set it free.

Clue: “The investigation of the truth is in one way hard, in another easy. An indication of this is found in the fact that no one is able to attain the truth adequately, while, on the other hand, no one fails entirely, but everyone says something true about the nature of all things, and while individually they contribute little or nothing to the truth, by the union of all a considerable amount is amassed.”

Questioning, one can say is a science. It is what makes us human. Our curiousity is what drives the human race. If we do not drive to our curiousity, we would be nothing. But this nothingness is what some philosphers feel is what everything leads down to. But then again, doesn't everything come from nothing? Our curiousity causes us to questions everything. Why is the sky blue? What are those white dots in the black sky? We soon develop answers to these questions. These answers are either fact or mythology, which leads to religon.
Therefore I feel questioning is a human instinct; to question one self and surroundings. It is not a question why we bother; it is a question why we must ask ourselves these questions?

[IFTHISTHENTHAT]

Some profound things you've said there goldfinch.

Are you insinuating that you've solved it? Is there more you've uncovered or is this just your final conclusion?

Fair to say you've nearly conquered the problem of putting what all the eggs together could represent in a singular idea.

Seemingly a fitting continuation, or "evolution" of the HD riddle.

[canarysings]

Are you insinuating that you've solved it?

No.

This riddle can not be solved, And dose not have a deffinitive answer.

Ask yourself, What are you are looking for? What you are looking for, you will not find, and what you do find will only lead to more questions. It is pointless looking for an answer in the game to the riddle, because there is no answer. we as humans, cant except that there is no answer, so feel the need to question and explore further.

whitch leads us to curiosity....

Is there a reason for the intense curiosity some people have that drives them to explore their universe? Everyone has a certain amount of curiosity, but some people seem to have more than others, and some people seem more willing to take risks to satisfy their curiosity.

To a certain extent, all animals are curious. Since at first glance it would appear that curiosity is dangerous, why would it be a characteristic that would ensure survival of a species? The concept that traits such as curiosity, love, caring, hatred – what are often seen as emotional or social characteristics – could develop for evolutionary reasons, is called sociobiology. Sociobiology argues that just as a physical adaptation such as a colour change might give a species better chance at survival, and thus the genetic material for the colour change will be passed on to offspring, so too can social characteristics.

For example, why will a mother animal defend her children to the death? Doing so would seem to be counter-productive. If the mother dies defending her children, neither she nor her offspring will survive. However, if there is a chance that defending her children will enable them to survive, then this instinct will increase the chance that her genetic material will be passed on to future generations. By being a caring mother, and perhaps ensuring that her offspring survive, her genetic material will also survive and be passed on. Mothers that abandon their children will have far less chance of their genetic material being passed on, so their line will die out. Thus there is an evolutionary reason for mothers to care for their children.

Of course, there is another way to have your genetic material passed on, and that is to have an incredible number of offspring, and abandon them all. In this way you need not look after any of them, so you can afford to have a lot more. There is also an evolutionary reason not to care for your offspring.

Animals that have few offspring, especially when the offspring take a long time to grow to maturity and self-sufficiency – humans for example – generally follow the first method. Other animals, like fish, often adopt the second. Too much curiosity can be dangerous. A baby animal investigating a new event might find it is a trap from a predator.

So what is the evolutionary advantage to being curious?

Curiosity can lead to new discoveries and it is necessary to be curious in order to learn. The more one learns, the better one will be able to take advantage of one's surroundings. This will give you an advantage, provided you do not die from the initial event that sparked your curiosity. You will have learned something that will allow you to survive more effectively in the long term.

THE DiVIDED LINE..

The Divided Line explains both the nature of things in existence and our corresponding mental states when we engage with those things. More simply put, the divided line explains what exists in the world and how we “know” it.
The Allegory of the Cave, (below), explains how we come to have knowledge. The Cave explains how we progress from the complete un-enlightenment to eventually, through proper education, acquire knowledge of the form of the Good.

THEORY OF FORMS..

It starts with the premise that intellectual truth is more true than that that physical truth:
That there exists a god/creator who is pure thought and has no physical being, but has created the physical universe.
The physical universe is made up of copies of the thought universe which exists only in the mind of the creator, shadows.
Thus all horses are merely copies, or shadows, of the ONE horse which is in the mind of the the creator. Equally all beds are only shadows of the ideal bed which he has envisaged.
All physical objects are thus imperfect, being copies and not his original IDEA. (from which we get the word ideal). In fact the word FORM is not used by Plato, who uses the word Idea. Form is a concept nearly said idea) of later more materialist philosophers.
He thus believed that all physical existence was essentially unworthy; the world of thought being far superior, and looked forward to an afterlife of pure thought.

FORM OF THE GOOD...

Among the Forms, one stands out as most important. This is the Form of the Good. Plato is unable to tell us exactly what the Form of The Good is, but he does tell us that it is the source of intelligibility and of our capacity to know, and also that it is responsible for bringing all of the other Forms into existence. He compares its role in the intelligible realm to the role of the sun in the visible realm. The Form of the Good is the ultimate object of knowledge; it is only once one grasps the Form of the Good that one reaches the highest grade of cognitive activity, understanding. Therefore, it is only after he grasps the Form of the Good that a philosopher-in-training becomes a philosopher-king. Plato believed that the Forms were interrelated, and arranged in a hierarchy. The highest Form is the Form of the Good, which is the ultimate principle. Plato developed his Theory of Forms to the point where he divided existence into two realms. There is the world of sense experience (the ‘empirical’ world), where nothing ever stays the same but is always in the process of change. Experience of it gives rise to opinions. There is also a world which is outside space and time, which is not perceived through the senses, and in which everything is permanent and perfect or Ideal - the realm of the Forms.

THE ALLEGORY OF THE CAVE..

The allegory of the cave, is a hypothetical scenario, described by Plato, in the form of an enlightening conversation between Socrates and his brother, Glaucon. The conversation basically deals with the ignorance of humanity trapped in the conventional ethics formed by society. It covers both the fallen and risen state of mankind, from the phase where the man is in search of truth and once he is made aware, all he wants to do is share it with others and free them from the bondage of ignorance. Let's look at the different phases that summarize the complete meaning of the allegory.
While describing the story, Socrates asks Glaucon to envision an underground cave inhabited by prisoners, who have been in the cave from their childhood with their legs and necks shackled by chains, so that the movement of their face is restricted, and they can see nothing but the wall in front of them. This restricted movement limits their visibility only to the wall, thus circumscribing the scope of any encounter beyond it. There is an enormous fire blazing at a distance, above and behind the prisoners, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised walkway meant for objects to pass. The shadows of all sorts of objects (animal, jar or tree), as shown in the image, fall directly on the wall. Thus providing the sole view for the prisoners, and say there was an echo/voices that came from the wall because of the puppeteer, the prisoners would perceive it to be the voices of those passing shadows. Hence, the only way for the prisoners to get acquainted with their surroundings is to decipher or interpret the shadows and consider them to be a part of the real world. They start naming each and every object, and amongst themselves declare the quickest one to observe the passing shadows and point out which followed after or before or were together as the winner, with intellectual knowledge and ability.

Socrates further says, what if a prisoner is released, by someone and is forced to suddenly stand, move his neck and made to look towards the fire and the objects whose shadows he had seen before. Wouldn't all this hurt and confuse him, if someone were to tell him that the shadows he saw earlier were all an illusion. But what he sees now is the reality and then somebody drags this prisoner to see the outside world and hold him in the presence of the Sun. He, like all the prisoners being accustomed to dim light, turns his gaze away from the bright sun. His vision being temporarily overcome by the intense light, the outside world was beyond his comprehension.

Slowly he gets used to the existence of the new world, which delineates the fallacy of that inside the cave. Now, on an intellectual journey, he discovers the real shadows of the outside world, the reflection of objects in the water, the beauty of mother nature, skies, stars, moon, an almost divine experience of the newly found mystical world. Next, he begins to study the Sun and its surroundings. Leading him to reason the Sun as the cause of all things, from the seasons to the years. All of this his fellow prisoners are unaware about.

He considers himself lucky and blessed, for the change he undergoes and pities the prisoners living in the same old habitat. In his old situation, he remembers how they would compete to recognize each passing shadow, that of which is nothing compared to what he is able to grasp and see now.

Now, what if this prisoner were to return to the cave, and find the other prisoners busy competing and asking him to join in, wouldn't the shadows appear blur to him because his sight is still weak by the sudden exposure and before he could adjust to the darkness, the prisoners start to ridicule him for having lost his eyesight. They would remark that it would have been better, if he had stayed in the cave. And if someone, were to repeat this or release another prisoner, that culprit should be caught and put to death.

He tries to persuade his companions, that outside there is a more real world, and what they saw were mere shadows of the real objects. He tries to point out the deep-rooted ignorance of the fellow prisoners, who are trapped within their own confinement of pseudo intellectualism. But the prisoners try to resist enlightenment and condemn him for moral misconduct and loss of ethical values.

Possible Interpretations..

Now, let us comprehend the various interpretations that the Allegory of the Cave portrays.

Individual: All of us have an individual 'cave' of our own, where we live a comfortable, happy and familiar life. But in reality, we are 'prisoners" of the truth'. We prefer living a dull, mundane life and blindly follow the set social norms, than question or challenge the authenticity of the 'shadows' that we have been seeing since childhood. The one who does question is often ridiculed and despised. The 'liberated man' here is like the philosophers who think beyond the set norms, question the reality and keeps accumulating new experiences and knowledge. Society often condemns, prosecutes and laughs at them, yet these philosophers are willing to voice their opinions and face the truth.

Political: If we were to interpret the allegory in a political sense, then most of us would find it to be well grounded in logic and reason. Where politicians resemble the puppeteer who cast or control what we should and shouldn't see. They manipulate the masses who perceive the shadows they see as reality. The prisoners who are content with what they have, rarely question or doubt the leaders and their political motives. Plato argues that the one who is aware of the truth should be the one in charge of leading society. As they rule to make the truth known to all alike, without exploiting or misleading the masses.

Religious: This cave metaphor can also be interpreted on religious grounds, where understanding the existence of a higher power is limited to the prisoners living within the boundaries of the cave. The prisoners view the shadows as real objects. They claim to understand the world based on these shadows and so are not able to perceive the truth. Anything that goes beyond these values, tends to lie in the domain of unconventional thoughts, which are often resisted or opposed by powerful religious leaders, who decide and control, what human beings believe or see. When the situation changes and one prisoner is set free, at first he finds it difficult to adjust, but slowly starts searching and questioning reality. The freed man then feels that it is his moral duty to go back and make others aware of the truth that he has just discovered, whether they are worth saving or not. They might deny or hurt him, but still the man enlightened with the truth wants to help the ignorant society.
The creativity of Plato, along with his deep understanding of human nature, compels him to create a scenario which shows mankind the true picture of an imaginary world. We all may acquire and comprehend the world around us by our experience of physical objects, but it would be a mistake to limit ourselves to the conventional thoughts indentured by our stubbornness towards change.

THE CHARIOT ALLEGORY..

Socrates uses the Chariot Allegory to explain his view of the human soul: "Compare it to the combined capacities of a team of winged horses and their winged charioteer. Now, all the horses and charioteers of the gods are good and of good stock, but in other cases they are of mixed quality.

In our case, the driver holds the reins of a pair of horses, one of which is noble and good and of similar stock, while the other is of the opposite stock and opposite in character. Thus, the driving in our case is inevitably difficult and troublesome..." He then goes on to distinguish the two horses that make up our soul: One horse is white and long necked, well bred, well behaved, and runs without a whip. The other is black and short-necked, badly bred, troublesome.

--The Charioteer represents intellect, reason, or the part of the soul that must guide the soul to truth.

--The White Horse represents rational or moral impulse or the positive part of passionate nature (e.g., righteous indignation)

--The Black Horse represents the soul's irrational passions, appetites, or concupiscent nature.

And it is the job of the charioteer to keep both of these horses in order, as they often try to go in separate directions. He must, apparently, guide these horses down a "heavenly journey" or path of enlightenment. If the charioteer cannot keep the dark horse in check, "it sinks down and drags him toward the earth, where hard toil and an ardous testing await the soul".

my conclusion?

At the heart of the riddle lie three questions. What is existence, and what sorts of things exist in the world? How can things continue to exist, and yet undergo the change we see about us in the natural world? And how can this world be understood?

Whitch leads me to... QUESTIONING.

one can say is a science. It is what makes us human. Our curiousity is what drives the human race. If we do not drive to our curiousity, we would be nothing. But this nothingness is what some philosphers feel is what everything leads down to. But then again, doesn't everything come from nothing? Our curiousity causes us to questions everything. Why is the sky blue? What are those white dots in the black sky? We soon develop answers to these questions. These answers are either fact or mythology, which leads to religon.
Therefore I feel questioning is a human instinct; to question one self and surroundings. It is not a question why we bother; it is a question why we must ask ourselves these questions?

[LukeMSki]

Novel

It was actually a good read though.

[Fallenultima1]

So, the answer is questions? Again?

[RetiredRonin]

I'm 99% sure that Anba has mentioned that the riddle is going to have a more substantial answer.

[canarysings]

A few lessons can be learned from all this

(1) We can learn where we are going, by knowing where we have been. Our current world views are the product of thousands of years of evolution in thought. And, all world views are ultimately self-limiting. (i.e. we need to keep them evolving, or we risk stagnation, and potentially catastrophe).

(2) We are not as independent as we think we are. And, we need to get back in touch with the idea of interdependence - that everything in nature is part of a greater whole, and that it all exists in harmony. If we don't get into harmony with it, we will destroy the planet and ourselves.

(3) We need to regain some of the ancient wisdom we've lost and integrate it with the modern knowledge we have gained from science.

(4) We must start thinking globally. The age where nations (and individuals) think only in terms of their own self interests must come to an end. It's going to take ALL of us to move forward in a positive way.

Trials evolution, its much, much, more than a game, it tells the story of evolution, the story of us all, past, present and futre.

So, Evolution doesn't make sense. Why would Mother Nature evolve a creature who has the power to destroy Mother Nature herself?"

Unnatural selection?

Untill we can understand nature, how can we understand ourselves?

edit: Ghecko 520, is a direct reference to this, i believe.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...oach-relative/

[canarysings]

Epic poetry.

im currently looking into this, the track names, descriptions and platinum messages, etc.


From wikipedia...

An attempt to delineate the ten main characteristics of an epic poem.

Begins in medias res.

The setting is vast, covering many nations, the world or the universe.

Begins with an invocation to a muse (epic invocation).

Begins with a statement of the theme.

Includes the use of epithets.

Contains long lists (epic catalogue).

Features long and formal speeches.

Shows divine intervention on human affairs.

Features heroes that embody the values of the civilization.

Often features the tragic hero's descent into the Underworld or hell.

[rlmergeuser]

Scanned the past few pages of this thread, but couldn't find it. Has anyone compiled the pictures of the codes on the planks into one image? I'm curious, if that still hasn't been solved, if they're using the Enigma Code.

*can't post link, do a youtube search for "numberphile enigma code"*

Maybe I'm thinking a bit too complicated. I'd still like to take a look at the code with all of the "words" in a single image/text file.

edit: found it, I'm a derp. I'll read through the whole thread before I post anything else =P