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This topic has nothing to do with warmongering. I don't see your point, if you're saying that people who question bogus charity scams are warmongerers then you should probably reevaluate what warmongering actually means. I did not realise you were from Norway but it doesn't change the fact that your comment was just needless trolling.Originally Posted by eflixxx
Absolutely amazing watched it last night with my family
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This video is much more informative, IMO.
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The KONY/IC ordeal is a fake. A scam. Invisible Children is not a real charity, and if they are, they only donate 31% to ACTUAL charity. All they did was give a couple filmmakers some money and said "Go fix world problems."
...that's like giving the government a bunch of money and demanding a sequel to inception.
Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission.Let’s not get our lines crossed: The Lord’s Resistance Army is bad news. And Joseph Kony is a very bad man, and needs to be stopped. But propping up Uganda’s decades-old dictatorship and its military arm, which has been accused by the UN of committing unspeakable atrocities and itself facilitated the recruitment of child soldiers, is not the way to go about it. But killing Kony won’t fix anything, just as killing Osama bin Laden didn’t end terrorism.The bottom line is, research your causes thoroughly. Don’t just forward a random video to a stranger because a mass murderer makes a five-year-old “sad.” Learn a little bit about the complexities of the region’s ongoing strife before advocating for direct military intervention.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-PnDZmngAh...h/IMG_2941.jpg
Besides, is Kony even in Uganda?
Nope. Uganda is in a phase of rebuilding. The Kony 2012 video and Invisible Children make it seem that Joseph Kony is a monster ravaging through Northern Uganda as if he were Godzilla stomping through Tokyo. However, a quick fact check has pointed me to this: On July 8th, 2005, the International Criminal CourtCC) named Joseph Kony the number one criminal in the world because of his crimes in Uganda. Shortly after the ICC indicted Kony, he fled Uganda and officially has been in hiding since 2006. Basically, he has since been hiding in a hole like Saddam Hussein and has approximately as much power as Saddam Hussein had while he was living in his hole, next to none.
Basically, “Invisible Children Inc” is lying. They’re making money off a man and a problem based on our ignorance.
A little digging shows that they are in fact a charity organization and cannot profit, which is nice, except that the organization’s three filmmakers and co-founders receive a combined pay of $223,922 and in addition, Invisible Children holds the following assets: computer equipment ($751,000), transportation equipment ($288,762), video and camera equipment ($177,769), and furniture and fixtures ($45,361). It tells us that Invisible Children is very good with their money: Everything checks out and is accounted for, however, they score very low in their Accountability and Transparency. Basically that means they handle their money well, but they may not be doing what we think they should be doing with their money. The Better Business Bureau and Charity Navigator are two of the best impartial sources of information on charities and how they are run, and neither one of these resources has a very rosy picture of Kony 2012. Charity Navigator's impression of the organization has fallen precipitously since 2009. It gave Invisible Children a four-star, 63.43 rating in July 2009, but by September 2010, its stock had fallen to a two-star 44.42 rating. Though it looks like it may be on its way back up, earning a three-star 51.52 record in March 2012, the volatility in Charity Navigator's opinion does not inspire trust. An entire reddit thread is dedicated to the legitimacy of this stuff, and it isn't looking good for IC... http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comme...p_kony/c3yil0i
In short: Invisible Children has already lied about Joseph Kony being the Godzilla of Uganda, so my belief is that the executives and filmmakers at Invisible Children continue to make movies that are a few years too late and rely on college students and younger people to fund their travels around the world so that each of them can live a very moderate life averaging a little over $80,000/year. In the process, they’ve accrued a great deal of funds to build their movie making and documentary system and in return, all they have to do is build a few schools and buy clothes for people in Uganda with the extra money so not to make it look like it’s a giant scheme.
Uganda has many many more pressing issues anyways... Afghanistan, and Iraq have all lost their vicious leaders and we expected them to be fixed by now. Egypt is in a rebuilding phase, Syria is a dump, Afghanistan is still in war, and Iraq is a dump. Saddam Hussein was tried and given capital punishment in 2006: Iraq is still rebuilding from that. Uganda is in the process of rebuilding which involves needing supplies for schools, education, economy, clean water, heath care and a strong organized government. The people of Uganda need to unite and come together to form one peaceful community, but that is going to take many many years.
In short: Uganda has a lot more than 99 problems and they can’t be solved overnight, and especially not with the arrest and/or assassination of Joseph Kony.
Guys, don't believe a simple 30 minute video telling you to donate. Before ANYTHING is done with your money, investigate. Anyone can make a video with a message like Kony.. it's so ignorant to believe this crap off of first glance. Question EVERYTHING.
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I know... there are so many people that will give money to organizations they haven't even spent researching for more than 5 minutes
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OP Updated.
Originally Posted by bDIdolThe KONY/IC ordeal is a fake. A scam. Invisible Children is not a real charity, and if they are, they only donate 31% to ACTUAL charity. All they did was give a couple filmmakers some money and said "Go fix world problems."
...that's like giving the government a bunch of money and demanding a sequel to inception.
Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission.Let’s not get our lines crossed: The Lord’s Resistance Army is bad news. And Joseph Kony is a very bad man, and needs to be stopped. But propping up Uganda’s decades-old dictatorship and its military arm, which has been accused by the UN of committing unspeakable atrocities and itself facilitated the recruitment of child soldiers, is not the way to go about it. But killing Kony won’t fix anything, just as killing Osama bin Laden didn’t end terrorism.The bottom line is, research your causes thoroughly. Don’t just forward a random video to a stranger because a mass murderer makes a five-year-old “sad.” Learn a little bit about the complexities of the region’s ongoing strife before advocating for direct military intervention.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-PnDZmngAh...h/IMG_2941.jpg
Besides, is Kony even in Uganda?
Nope. Uganda is in a phase of rebuilding. The Kony 2012 video and Invisible Children make it seem that Joseph Kony is a monster ravaging through Northern Uganda as if he were Godzilla stomping through Tokyo. However, a quick fact check has pointed me to this: On July 8th, 2005, the International Criminal Court
Basically, “Invisible Children Inc” is lying. They’re making money off a man and a problem based on our ignorance.
A little digging shows that they are in fact a charity organization and cannot profit, which is nice, except that the organization’s three filmmakers and co-founders receive a combined pay of $223,922 and in addition, Invisible Children holds the following assets: computer equipment ($751,000), transportation equipment ($288,762), video and camera equipment ($177,769), and furniture and fixtures ($45,361). It tells us that Invisible Children is very good with their money: Everything checks out and is accounted for, however, they score very low in their Accountability and Transparency. Basically that means they handle their money well, but they may not be doing what we think they should be doing with their money. The Better Business Bureau and Charity Navigator are two of the best impartial sources of information on charities and how they are run, and neither one of these resources has a very rosy picture of Kony 2012. Charity Navigator's impression of the organization has fallen precipitously since 2009. It gave Invisible Children a four-star, 63.43 rating in July 2009, but by September 2010, its stock had fallen to a two-star 44.42 rating. Though it looks like it may be on its way back up, earning a three-star 51.52 record in March 2012, the volatility in Charity Navigator's opinion does not inspire trust. An entire reddit thread is dedicated to the legitimacy of this stuff, and it isn't looking good for IC... http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comme...p_kony/c3yil0i
In short: Invisible Children has already lied about Joseph Kony being the Godzilla of Uganda, so my belief is that the executives and filmmakers at Invisible Children continue to make movies that are a few years too late and rely on college students and younger people to fund their travels around the world so that each of them can live a very moderate life averaging a little over $80,000/year. In the process, they’ve accrued a great deal of funds to build their movie making and documentary system and in return, all they have to do is build a few schools and buy clothes for people in Uganda with the extra money so not to make it look like it’s a giant scheme.
Uganda has many many more pressing issues anyways... Afghanistan, and Iraq have all lost their vicious leaders and we expected them to be fixed by now. Egypt is in a rebuilding phase, Syria is a dump, Afghanistan is still in war, and Iraq is a dump. Saddam Hussein was tried and given capital punishment in 2006: Iraq is still rebuilding from that. Uganda is in the process of rebuilding which involves needing supplies for schools, education, economy, clean water, heath care and a strong organized government. The people of Uganda need to unite and come together to form one peaceful community, but that is going to take many many years.
In short: Uganda has a lot more than 99 problems and they can’t be solved overnight, and especially not with the arrest and/or assassination of Joseph Kony.
Guys, don't believe a simple 30 minute video telling you to donate. Before ANYTHING is done with your money, investigate. Anyone can make a video with a message like Kony.. it's so ignorant to believe this crap off of first glance. Question EVERYTHING.
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I support the cause.
I despise the money-hungry charity behind it.
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This.Originally Posted by T4KShadow
There's a grey area you can exist in when it comes to this sort of thing. I am all for helping people that are being mistreated and ruined, but the middle man has to have the right intention. And IC does NOT have that intention.
