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[NovaDarkStorm]

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=z29Fm0XE9ts

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Nice. That's a good illustration of how it can be used as a recovery technique.
Guess I'll wait till I get home to see how its used to increase in-air flips, unless someone wants to upload Kobe745's new run?

Cheers man, I've altered it, it works as a link to mobiles sorry lol!

[rlmergeuser]

I figured this out within the first few days of release while playing flip hunter. It's now a normal habit. I wonder if Evolution has it. Also, the version where you hold the gas and tap the brake is more effective. I wouldn't give credit to anyone because it's not like one person figured it out and other people copied. I'm sure a lot of other people just figured it out on their own too.

Thanks a lot Malachyte for sharing this with us! I've put in so much work trying to get a worldrecord on Turbo Flip (2nd flip skill game). I never got further then my 8th place ranking... but guess what:

I have the worldrecord now after using this technique. It took me about 30 minutes to achieve, its a sloppy run that can be improved. My run does show how rotation speed and forward momentum is increased significantly using this technique!

If you, and others, figured it out so early on, why don't any of the top runs on the flip hunter games use it? How was kobe745, who is a good rider for sure but not one of the top guys, able to get an easy world record so quickly after I started this thread?

I believe that many people probably figured out how to use it on the ground... but I'm fairly confident that I was the first one to figure out how to use it in the air.

Whiplash effect- fav technique of mine. You see alot of this in Slinky's runs and some in AJ/GSW runs too.

Are you referring to this technique of pumping the gas/brake to increase rotation/recover, or another technique?

Pretty sure he is referring to something different - when you wheelie up a ramp and lunge forward just before jumping off it to fling yourself into a fast frontflip. If you land right you can really maintain speed and momentum very well. It's a classic speed runner technique. The reason I said that this "clockwise momentum increaser" technique could be used by speed runners is because I think they could combine it with the whiplash technique to squeeze in some extra front flips where there otherwise isn't enough space/time.

[Dosto]

If you, and others, figured it out so early on, why don't any of the top runs on the flip hunter games use it? How was kobe745, who is a good rider for sure but not one of the top guys, able to get an easy world record so quickly after I started this thread?

I believe that many people probably figured out how to use it on the ground... but I'm fairly confident that I was the first one to figure out how to use it in the air.

Well now that's just not true at all. There are tons of people who have been doing this in the air for ages now. Me included.
Not everyone gives a poop about flip hunter you know.

I'm sure you are the first one to put it on writing and all, but you know somethings people just learn to do by instinct, without even thinking about it.

[rlmergeuser]

Well now that's just not true at all. There are tons of people who have been doing this in the air for ages now. Me included.
Not everyone gives a poop about flip hunter you know.

I'm sure you are the first one to put it on writing and all, but you know somethings people just learn to do by instinct, without even thinking about it.

Thank you for that reply Dosto. Exactly what I was about to say. Also, Malachyte, how could you even say "I'm fairly confident that I was the first one to figure out how to use it in the air."?? Are you that egotistical? You have no clue who discovered it. Heck, it's not even that hard to find out. Did you even start playing Trials on the release day? Just because you record and post your ninja runs online doesn't mean you are the best. By the way, I discovered the technique in the air before I applied it to my ground game. Much respect for you has been lost my friend..

[rlmergeuser]

^^

Alright, so I was wrong. Sue me. I have watched a lot of top runs from the global leaderboards over the years, and I never saw it in a replay, so I assumed that I figured it out. Yes, silly of me to think that with how many people play Trials. Still, it's relevant to say that most likely not very many people figured out the airborne version since the flip hunter skill games have the most obvious use for it, and no one bothered to go for a world record on either of them using this technique until after I created this thread.

Just because you record and post your ninja runs online doesn't mean you are the best.

I don't see what this has to do with anything. My (evidently false) claim of discovering this technique has nothing to do with my skill, and I'm not attempting to brag in any way. The worst player in the world could have figured this out. Holding one button and tapping another doesn't really require a high level of skill. Insulting my skills is just random, unrelated, and uncalled for.

While we're on the topic though, I'm completely aware that I'm not one of the best. I am terrible at speed runs, and not great at skill games. The one skill I do have is the patience to practice Ninja tracks and learn consistent methods for very difficult obstacles. I was the second person to ever 0-fault a Level 3 track (JJtheGerman was first), and I've 0-faulted WAY more Level 1 tracks than anyone else. I am definitely one of the top Ninja riders, but I'm sure that hundreds upon hundreds of people are much better than me at every other aspect of the game.

ANYWAY

The point of this thread was mainly to share this technique with more people. I guarantee you that most players had no idea it could be used in the air, and while I'll admit that I'm sure a few other people figured it out, I didn't adopt the technique after watching replays with it - I figured it out on my own. Once again, just a random coincidence - not based on my skill in any way... kobe745's replay on Turbo Flip is still the first replay I've seen that uses it in the air.

EDIT: I edited the OP to include this:

EDIT: Evidently many other players discovered this on their own. I'm not trying to take credit for anyone else's discovery, but the timeline above is still true to my own experience - some things I learned from watching replays, others I figured out on my own.

Happy now?

[rlmergeuser]

^^

Alright, so I was wrong. Sue me. I have watched a lot of top runs from the global leaderboards over the years, and I never saw it in a replay, so I assumed that I figured it out. Yes, silly of me to think that with how many people play Trials. Still, it's relevant to say that most likely not very many people figured out the airborne version since the flip hunter skill games have the most obvious use for it, and no one bothered to go for a world record on either of them using this technique until after I created this thread.

Just because you record and post your ninja runs online doesn't mean you are the best.

I don't see what this has to do with anything. My (evidently false) claim of discovering this technique has nothing to do with my skill, and I'm not attempting to brag in any way. The worst player in the world could have figured this out. Holding one button and tapping another doesn't really require a high level of skill. Insulting my skills is just random, unrelated, and uncalled for.

While we're on the topic though, I'm completely aware that I'm not one of the best. I am terrible at speed runs, and not great at skill games. The one skill I do have is the patience to practice Ninja tracks and learn consistent methods for very difficult obstacles. I was the second person to ever 0-fault a Level 3 track (JJtheGerman was first), and I've 0-faulted WAY more Level 1 tracks than anyone else. I am definitely one of the top Ninja riders, but I'm sure that hundreds upon hundreds of people are much better than me at every other aspect of the game.

ANYWAY

The point of this thread was mainly to share this technique with more people. I guarantee you that most players had no idea it could be used in the air, and while I'll admit that I'm sure a few other people figured it out, I didn't adopt the technique after watching replays with it - I figured it out on my own. Once again, just a random coincidence - not based on my skill in any way... kobe745's replay on Turbo Flip is still the first replay I've seen that uses it in the air.

EDIT: I edited the OP to include this:

EDIT: Evidently many other players discovered this on their own. I'm not trying to take credit for anyone else's discovery, but the timeline above is still true to my own experience - some things I learned from watching replays, others I figured out on my own.

Happy now?

I apologize for insulting your skill. It's just that I thought you were bragging. I hate when people brag.

I figured that you thought that your popularity from uploading your ninja runs gave you the right to post nonsense about the discovery of techniques. I just HAD to say something. I now see your true intentions. So, yeah.. sorry for being a jerk.

I'm content now.
Respect+

[rlmergeuser]

I'm content now.
Respect+

Thanks!

I'm glad everything was cleared up.

[rlmergeuser]

I've been finding uses for it in the tracks. For example in Technique you can get a flip landing at the end which would be slightly quicker and #1 doesn't do.

[Ender_IXI]

Thanks malachyte, i didn't know about this. I think i could use this to get another flip or 2.

I'd be interested in any other lesser known techniques. I got a msg from Kyoshi the other day where he mentioned a "back wheel slides", not sure what he meant, maybe it's something i already know but i doubt it. He also mentioned he found a new technique that he's working on mastering. I look forward to that too.

[kobe745]

Thanks malachyte, i didn't know about this. I think i could use this to get another flip or 2.

The worldrecord on Turboflip is currently at 48, i believe you can push the WR to 49 or even 50.