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    Jarr3tt88's Avatar Senior Member
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    Re: Trails 2 SE Editor please

    Originally Posted by sipe
    Please don't put words into our mouths.
    Sorry Sipe Was just trying to be a funny guy, throw his words back in his face. I just meant you guys were on to bigger and better things <3

    I DID tell him in my first post to try Evo and the editor there. He wanted to start a flame war about xbox being crap.
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    sipe's Avatar Trials Developer
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    Re: Trails 2 SE Editor please

    Originally Posted by Jarr3tt88
    Originally Posted by sipe
    Please don't put words into our mouths.
    Sorry Sipe Was just trying to be a funny guy, throw his words back in his face. I just meant you guys were on to bigger and better things <3

    I DID tell him in my first post to try Evo and the editor there. He wanted to start a flame war about xbox being crap.
    Edited those quotes in my post which I was referring, it wasn't meant to you, Jarr3tt88
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    Re: Trails 2 SE Editor please

    Originally Posted by sipe
    Originally Posted by Jarr3tt88
    Originally Posted by sipe
    Please don't put words into our mouths.
    Sorry Sipe Was just trying to be a funny guy, throw his words back in his face. I just meant you guys were on to bigger and better things <3

    I DID tell him in my first post to try Evo and the editor there. He wanted to start a flame war about xbox being crap.
    Edited those quotes in my post which I was referring, it wasn't meant to you, Jarr3tt88
    Oh ok thats good then!

    A side note, if I did get into trials during T2SE, I probably also would have loved an editor. But to ask for one now seems a little silly IMO.
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    Re: Trails 2 SE Editor please

    Guess my post was deleted where I was raging on this guy?

    Haha it's cool I regret making it anyway. I swear I'm like bipolar...
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    Re: Trails 2 SE Editor please

    Reasons why the editor was not present in Trials 2 retail version:
    - The editor was not working with the Steam version of the game. All the content (including all levels) in the Steam version was distributed with Valve Steam network using their own patch system.
    - It was not optimized to work properly on any other computer setups than we had at work. And it was not tested to work with any other computer setups. The retail version was tested with over 20 different computer setups (CPU & GPU & OS combinations). It's very likely that it would not even start on majority of computers out there.
    - It required minimum 2 GB of memory to start, and a very high end graphics card (only highest end graphics settings worked on the editor, and it didn't even start with other settings).
    - The user interface of the editor was simply horrible. It looked really bad, didn't work correctly on all cases, crashed if you did some action sequence slightly wrong, etc. Also most of the features were only available as keyboard shortcuts (with only Finnish keyboard mapping).
    - There was no help text or documentation present. And many features were impossible to use correctly without knowing exactly how.

    Reasons why the editor was not released as a stand alone unsupported tool:
    - It's very easy to cheat in the track high score lists using the editor. Editor release would ruin the game for most of the hardcore players as all track high score lists would be filled with cheaters.
    - The editor has no kind of serial key protection and can load and run all game levels. With a completely free editor that could run all tracks (built in and user created), there would be no reason to buy the game anymore.
    - All tracks made with Trials 2 SE editor have automatic online high score lists at our server, and each score has a replay and ghost stored with it. The game does not support levels without online high score lists & replays & ghosts. This means that the editor public release would easily 10x the storage space requirement of our server and increase the bandwidth to our server by same amount. Our server is currently running at it's limit on peak hours, so it would not handle a traffic increase like that and likely stop working all together. Also Trials 2 does not have support for running multiple servers, so we could not simply add server capacity. The whole server architecture would need to be restructured to handle the load.

    These are the main reasons why we decided to design the next Trials sequel with level editor functionality from the start. Fixing all these problems to Trials 2 was too late at the release time.
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    Re: Trails 2 SE Editor please

    "cheating" lol just lock the official tracks.. durr even im not that stupid... i will not buy a failbox.. good luck with your failbox ****..
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    Re: Trails 2 SE Editor please

    Originally Posted by beastt
    "cheating" lol just lock the official tracks.. durr even im not that stupid... i will not buy a failbox.. good luck with your failbox ****..
    I too would have liked to have been able to make tracks, but it's just not going to happen with T2SE. The devs have clearly stated why there will be no editor. I don't think being antogonistic is going to make them suddenly change their minds.
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    Re: Trails 2 SE Editor please

    Originally Posted by ShiftySamurai
    I too would have liked to have been able to make tracks, but it's just not going to happen with T2SE. The devs have clearly stated why there will be no editor. I don't think being antogonistic is going to make them suddenly change their minds.
    yer its a shame... oh well .
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    Re: Trails 2 SE Editor please

    Originally Posted by beastt
    "cheating" lol just lock the official tracks.. durr even im not that stupid... i will not buy a failbox.. good luck with your failbox ****..
    Unfortunately our server and editor wasn't coded in a way that allowed us to lock anything out. If we would have had an editor that was designed for user created content creation, we would have released it. Unfortunately we didn't have anything like that. We just had an very technical unfinished editor that had absolutely no documentation and no easy to use user interface. It was designed for internal game developer use. Even creating background walls with it was a huge pain in the ***... Sipe can surely confirm that
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    Re: Trails 2 SE Editor please

    Although it would be amazing to have an editor i can totally see the reasons why it won't happen.
    I don't have an xbox, i do have a ps3 but tbh it just sits there gathering dust as i hate gaming on consoles. All my gaming time is spent on the PC.
    So i was hoping that you guys are planning on releasing another Trials game on the PC. Is this at all in the pipeline or even a possibility? I kinda feel like i'm being excluded from what is one of my favourite games...
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