The Evolution of a Song [Feb. 16th - SONG COMPLETE!] | Forums

[Happyflow]

Listened to that cilli songs yesterday!

Keep up the great work .
Smoked a full hour with your music in the backround.

[rlmergeuser]

Great songs man! wish I was talented enough to make songs so good

[nullrygar]

Sounds fantastic man.... I do a lot of my own music too. We should do a colab some time.

Oh and happy... I do lots of chill tunes for meditation and smoking and stuff send me a pm and I'll try and find some links

[rlmergeuser]

^^

Pretty sweet breakbeat style Heetsauce! I had no idea you were a producer. What do you use?

I love the breakdown in the middle with the reverb claps. Honestly towards the end it sounds like it should build back up to something more intense like the beginning section instead of just end... but other than that I enjoyed it!

new version sounds good, kindof liked the darker first version though. still liking the spooky pad in the background and some of the back tech stuff too. the middle parts seemed too light for a crypt track. the groove at the end, the part you looped is cool though, that and the stuff i mentioned before with the drumfills and **** are still my favorites. keep at it

thanks mala, i use alot of sources and logic for sequencing. that ones just a shorty, and i dont like following usual formulas so doesnt need another build, just some sickness to carry it out.

[rlmergeuser]

new version sounds good, kindof liked the darker first version though. still liking the spooky pad in the background and some of the back tech stuff too. the middle parts seemed too light for a crypt track. the groove at the end, the part you looped is cool though, that and the stuff i mentioned before with the drumfills and **** are still my favorites. keep at it

Thanks. The new version has everything from the first version, so it still has that darker intro... but you're right that it kinda takes a more uplifting turn when the gated pad melody comes in. I kinda like the direction it's going though, and I'll probably make the third and final movement darker again to bring the song back around, but I can see what you're saying - "The Crypt" doesn't really fit for the middle section. Perhaps I'll try to think of a better name for the track once it's complete - I was never dead set on The Crypt.

thanks mala, i use alot of sources and logic for sequencing. that ones just a shorty, and i dont like following usual formulas so doesnt need another build, just some sickness to carry it out.

I always enjoy electronic music that doesn't follow usual formulas - too much of the mainstream stuff follows the same exact layout and progression (different for each genre of course), so it's nice to see you trying to stay unique. Perhaps it just threw me off that the end cut off abruptly - you should definitely add "some sickness to carry it out".

[rlmergeuser]

Ok... so I've done a lot of fine tuning work since V2, and I extended the intro break-beat part a bit since it felt a little rushed as it was... but I haven't been able to come up with any good ideas for the next "movement" of the song. The song doesn't feel complete to me - I think it needs one more 2-3 minute segment before it ends, but I just don't know what to do... I've tried a number of ideas and nothing seems to fit. Should I go back to the theme from the beginning and build on that? Should I do another melodic trance-y section? Etc, etc.

Any suggestions??

Thanks,

/Mal

[rlmergeuser]

Great song. I think the background beats come to often though. Maybe have a part around say 1/3 and 2/3 where the beats come less often. The beats come at pretty much the same pace throughout the whole song. Aim for more range.

I don't think the song needs extending.

Kind regards.

[rlmergeuser]

^^

Thanks for the suggestions Starfire.

It's funny because I used to have much longer sections in my songs where the beat dropped out completely to bring more attention to the melodies & harmonies, and I got a lot of feedback along the lines of "This is DANCE music! Why do you have these LONG sections that people can't dance to???"

After hearing feedback like that repeatedly I trained myself to keep my breakdowns shorter and keep the beat going for the majority of the time... perhaps you're right - I should go back to my roots!

I've always been a sucker for longer songs though... so I'm probably going to extend it. It just doesn't feel complete yet. Maybe I'll transition the section that starts around 3:00 into something more ambient (i.e. without the beat), and then slowly transition back to a more mellow version of the break-beat intro. I've always enjoyed it when songs take you on a journey that circles around and eventually gets back to something similar - but not identical - to where they started.

Also I've decided the name "The Crypt" doesn't work. As Heetsauce pointed out the name doesn't work too well with the melodic turn the song took after the first few minutes, and it's still bugging me that I have an older song called Cryptic Power - this name is just too similar. I'll probably come up with a new name once the song is closer to completion.

[rlmergeuser]

Yeah no probs. "The Crypt" works. First intuitions usually are very reliable. Reason I said length is fine is because as creators/artists our task is to convey a gist, not the whole thing. A fatal mistake I made on my previous novel was I wanted to convey every minuscule detail. That ambition destroyed my novel. I think if you want any major transitions, you should consider making a new song. That's the whole point of categories.

I love the mood of the song. Forgot to mention that.

[rlmergeuser]

As creators/artists our task is to convey a gist, not the whole thing.

I marvel at my own advice. After I wrote it, I didn't follow my own advice (forgot), and it backfired like a BAD *****. I'm reminded to follow this great advice time and time again. It pays dividends.

We need to think in terms of fragments.


To my fans: feel free to cram this stuff into your signature.