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[rlmergeuser]

Population is always happening, money is also a constant thing. Kids are popping out kids when I say this kids ages 15 having kids, and ruining jobs because they know the dole is an easy way out which makes us all bankrupt. The government is screwing us all over by making prices higher to compensate this but isn't going to work as some people are too darn lazy... Or that some places can't even afford to keep employees in money as the prices are too high. It's a vicious cycle!

Seems like someone is watching far too much BBC news..

Fact is, regardless of any secondary activity, it is impossible under any circumstances to be debt free. The level of debt is directly connected to inflation, the more money in circulation, the more debt there is. Sadly, if you took all monies on the planet and gave it all to the bank, we would still be in debt.

Money can only come into circulation through the creation of debt, so perpetual outstanding debt is an absolute guarantee, and due to application of interest it's a never ending battle.

After much reading and listenning, I truly believe there are no bad or good people. Human behaviour is directly connected to environment, just as it always has been.

In the past christians were fed to lions, people took their kids to see that and cheered. Today you have amazonian tribes that hunt other people, some tribes today sacrifice human beings.

Are these bad people? of course not, to them it's normal, accepted social custom. Somehow people seem to think that morality and a sense of decency is inherent in all humans, which is just not true at all.

So call me crazy if you like but, when I see a criminal, I see them as victims of a broken society. For me, the evidence completely supports this thought process, some places have extremely high rates of crime, some have very low, and it's not contingent on how tough the justice system is. When people cry out for tougher jail sentences, indirectly they are making it worse for themselves.

So, to come back to your question starfire, any sense of utopia can only be achieved once this ancient, insane notion of human behaviour is overcame; this won't be easy at all, because this notion supports current methodologies.

Not only that but, a great majority of human suffering in terms of homelessness, drug abuse etc can be easily justified because of so called free will... Which is more ******** to support the establishment.

"I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. That is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant"

- Martin luther king JR.

[rlmergeuser]

Picklezz, i disagree with some of the things you just said, not to say they were wrong, but heres my point of view on who's "Good and bad".

Obviously "good" and "bad are not drawn over a line, and wether someone is or isn't is entirely opinionated. I believe however that EVERYONE is good AND bad. Some more than others. Everything you do is your own choice. While envoirnment and setting may affect your choices, they are still yours. Take Adolf Hitler for example, one of the biggest baddies in history. His envoirnment was NOT enough to make him do the things he did. Killing millions of people, many in terrible ways is something that he decided to do, and for one of the worst reasons any one could ever ask for. I believe he was evil, and it wasn't his surroundings that warranted it. Now, I'm sure down inside he had some good. That doesn't mean however that he wasn't a terrible man overall.

Everybody has the capibility of knowing if something is good or not, and everybody generally believes along the same line. Stealing is bad, and so is hurting others unless you have to, and in most circumstances lieing is bad. Of course the level of the things you do vary, and thus determining the difference between punching someone your mad at in the face, and massacring millions of people. Of course everybody will do bad things, including me, and i will say personally when i make a mistake I believe it's MY fault. Not anybody elses.

[rlmergeuser]

I h8 to break it to you, Chicago, but you cannot dictate what a novelist does. It works the other way around. And if the OP is too smart for you, the Personal Best thread is

There is absolutely no one who cares about how you are a novelist. Stop acting like you are some sort of deity at writing.

[rlmergeuser]

Fair enough mike, just let me clarify a few things.

First of all, don't get hung up on "blame", it's not about blaming anyone else because that achieves nothing, it's simply the realisation that people and society are deeply connected.

If I go out and kill someone, thats obviously a bad thing; what I mean is, when someone is born, essentially you're born as a clean slate, your not inherently good or bad. I do not believe that hitler was inherently a bad person, I don't know this for sure but I guarantee he came from an extremely ****** up environment.

"Everybody has the capibility of knowing if something is good or not, and everybody generally believes along the same line."

Ummm... Not really.. If you grew up in nazi germany as a german, would you not have become a nazi? More that likely of course you would but that wouldn't make you a bad person.

[rlmergeuser]

Thanks guys. Finally some food for thought, hey

I'll reply to all more fully later. Picklez, I meant abolish money altogether, entirely, like it was a bad dream that never happened. We live in the modern era. Not in a primitive era where money had to be used to exchange for goods and services. This is an outdated model, and it has proven itself to be utterly ineffective in creating a sustainable and healthy world even in the so-called developed countries.

So then the talk of "money is debt and that there will always be some debt," errrr, won't apply.

[Dosto]

This all kind of reminds me of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqVYUzHc5L8



And then about what this guy had to say about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3ZkcPO5wj4

[rlmergeuser]

raistlin yes true.

dosto that video is messed up...

starfire have you seen the venus project and listened to jacque fresco? fresco is pretty much a hero of mine.

[NovaDarkStorm]

You're forgetting that some people are psychologically disturbed, you're forgetting that it comes down to upbringing of some people that makes them what they are or who influence them to be who they are today.

Money is and always will be an issue... Gambling was where it all started.

[rlmergeuser]

If there was no money no one would work, how you gonna get food, services? Technology would cease to a halt, and we would have no Trials Evolution. Money is just motivation.

[RetiredRonin]

I h8 to break it to you, Chicago, but you cannot dictate what a novelist does. It works the other way around. And if the OP is too smart for you, the Personal Best thread is

There is absolutely no one who cares about how you are a novelist. Stop acting like you are some sort of deity at writing.

Hey. I care. I am also a writer. I would enjoy reading what Star has written. Then again, I've read 8 books in as many days.