Easy vs Hard?? | Forums

[willyums]

i noticed ages ago that i find it really difficult to break top 1000 on beginner and easy tracks. but recently i started going thru all the tracks trying to improve everything even just a little to improve my ranking (haven't got very far yet) when i was doing this i still struggled to get a top 1000 in beginners and easys, whereas on hard/extreme tracks, if im not in the top 500, its on my to-do list. so i stopped and thought about it for a minute.
why are there so many people who are very good at easier tracks and not so good at hard ones?
sounds like a really stupid question but to me, getting #1 on an easy track is just as hard as getting #1 on an extreme track.

i think its probably because theyre both completely different skill sets, so you end up with a large group of riders who are great at getting thru the easier ones real quick but struggle with keeping the faults down on harder obstacles and loads of people who can obviously manage the easy tracks but not so fast and are better at more technical stuff with less faults. then theres probly people who, in terms of rankings, are just as good at easy as hard (whether thats great at both or useless )

anyone else found this and which 'group' are you in?

[Euphoric Fusion]

Getting top ranked times on easy tracks is probably harder because there is so little time difference between 1st place and 1000th place. Middle Name Danger is probably split by a second or two across the entire leaderboard so even 1/1000th of a second would probably move you up a notch.
Hard tracks require more skill to clear, have mor places to save time and more places to mess up and as such the time spread across the leaderboard is much bigger.

[rlmergeuser]

Also, more people can complete the easy tracks. If you look at the number of people who have finished Middle Name: Danger versus the number that has finished Diabolic, it would be funny how different they are.

Also, easier tracks are easier to zero fault (really? ). If you keep zero faulting it in an attempt to get a good ranking, you're automatically beating everyone who has made a fault on that track. So, you only have to compete against the people who have also zero faulted that track. If you take Middle Name: Danger versus Diabolic again, it's probably about 500,000 people versus 250. A lot harder to get a good time when you're competing against that many people.

Easier tracks are also much simpler. They're usually shorter, have less places to make up time, and the time you can save by doing certain things usually isn't as large. They require a more "perfect" run.

[rlmergeuser]

Yep, I have had #1 on every easy at one point and they are WAY harder to get good times on. There is no new REAL time savers unless you find one of course ( but they are built for the noobs more or less, so.....simple)

Xtremes are a totally different story, Lestropie is involved ( not anymore )

Hards, are alot better because there are alot of spots to make up time, but you have to be really fast about your moves.

[lespritdelescal]

Getting top ranked times on easy tracks is probably harder because there is so little time difference between 1st place and 1000th place. Middle Name Danger is probably split by a second or two across the entire leaderboard so even 1/1000th of a second would probably move you up a notch.
Hard tracks require more skill to clear, have mor places to save time and more places to mess up and as such the time spread across the leaderboard is much bigger.

This is how I see it. Less and easier obstacles to master means that you'll see more people closer to the top time.

Also, while you still need to be skilled to get a top time on an easier track, those top times are easier to fluke off, too. At one point, months ago, I was in the top 80 or so people in Groundhog Begins. I didn't have the skills to pull off the big jump to the shortcut every time, or even one in fifty times, but I pulled it off and found myself quite a ways up the leaderboard.

[jhop420]

I tend to have better rankings on the beginner, easy, and medium tracks. I guess it has to do with my style of riding. I have more of a full throttle, all or nothing approach witch gets me into trouble on the harder tracks. This also makes me horrible at tournaments. With 950,000 to 800,000 people (for the beginner thru mediums) on the leaderboard compared to 600,000 to 70,000 (for the hard and extremes) my GLB rankings seem to drop faster on the harder tracks.

[HoorayItsMike]

I actually don't think it has anything to do with how many people have played each track. I mean I understand your guys' points, but I don't think that has ANYTHING to do with it, really.

Think about it. I only think there are 2 reasons why a person would complete a beginner course and not a hard course: 1.) They can't beat the hard course or 2.) They got bored of the game/don't really feel like playing it, etc.

Now, if someone can't even beat a hard course, I personally don't think there is ANY chance of them getting into the top 1000 on a beginner/easy course. If someone gets bored of the game on easy or doesn't really like it, I don't see them trying very hard to get a top 1000 run. So, those 200,000 extra people who have played that beginner course and not the the hard course are not going to getting into the top 1000 anytime soon. That's all my opinion of course, so I obviously could be wrong.

Now, why is it that it's so much harder for some people to get into the top 1000 on beginner/easy as opposed to hard? A couple reasons apply here, as well:

1. Because the courses are easier overall and generally shorter. This gives people more confidence that they can actually do well on the course and thus more people try harder to get a good time.

2. more or less think of this reason because of something Lestropie said awhile back) Because the courses are shorter/easier, less inputs overall and less difficult inputs are required to get a very, very good time.

So overall, we have a greater number of serious competitors and they all have a better chance of getting an extremely good time on an easy/beginner course as opposed to a hard/extreme course.

EDIT: And, the easier/shorter thing has already pretty much been mentioned. But I guess I got my point across.

[rlmergeuser]

so true, i suck at beginner and easy tracks

[Retribution]

What i dont get is how there are 15,000 people in front of me on the original Hill Climb.

[willyums]

What i dont get is how there are 15,000 people in front of me on the original Hill Climb.

theres probly people who can get mega high in skill games and struggle to 0 fault hard tracks. kinda annoys me