The wheelie deadend | Forums

[rlmergeuser]

As of yesterday I'm no longer #4 in global rankings. I moved to #389. Reason is I requested my wheelie scores to be deleted. We are all aware of the wheelie bug and in my opinion it's a bigger problem than it may seem.

I tried both ways, glitched runs and "normal" ones. They are both unfair so I decided not to be a part of this situation which deprives me the right to compete for global rankings.

The problem is bigger cause except from people having glitched wheelies with a result of having more meters than possible and higher ranks, normal scores don't exist. Even normal runs are glitched (mostly on w2,w3 where you have to stop) cause of the game working this way. So there can't be a fair, objective way to determine the results, thus the rankings.

The very core of this game is gameplay along with leaderboards which allow you to compete against others and make the game much more interesting and lasting. You can't finish the game, you can play thousands of hours and you'll still be able to improve.
So when one of the main aspects of this succesful reciepe is flawed, the problem is big.

For Developers
The following are thoughts, speculations, a reason for the devs to re-think a way around this problem. I don't know how the game works under the hood so I can't be precise. I will though give some suggestions that are concluded by older discussions and a vague idea how the game could work.

I know there was a plan for an update coming out and I'm aware of the autoupdate issue with boxed versions of the game. I also read it has been discussed an alternative way of putting the update on the redlynx site, that would only work if people weren't allowed to play online unless they downloaded and installed the update.
I think both ways require the current wheelie scores to be deleted which would cause a mess since many people are inactive and would lose their global ranks.

The suggestion
So the best way to resolve this, considering the above, is to readjust the global rankings calculation system to exclude wheelie rankings. In other words wheelies can be played normally, people can be ranked on them but those ranks won't be counted for the global points calculation.
So the maximum points will be 6200 instead of 6500. Inactive people won't be affected and rankings in general will be fair again. I'm sure all players will be ok with this, even those who have glitched see the problem.

So my question is this, does the client get involved in any way to the global points calculation? If it's not then no update is needed, just some server side adjustments.
If it is involved, is there a way to ignore/bypass without an update?

I know you've moved on, working on new things and that's good. On the other hand there are still people who love and play this game everyday. Check the weekly scores to see that this game isn't dead yet. All I'm asking is take a 10 minute break and discuss about this issue.
It's your game, your legacy to us, let's make it perfect!

[rlmergeuser]

I totally agree that wheelie should not count. This seems like the best solution to make them not count in the overall ranking. Although it's a bit wierd to have 3 tracks that isnt a part your ranking. I've glitched myself to get a good score so i could get a really good overall ranking, but i say remove them as this is kinda like cheating. But right now the only way to get good world ranking is to glitch and that is a problem.

[rlmergeuser]

Trials Developers should find a way to fix the glitch thing, its cheating
I agree with akam

[rlmergeuser]

Totally agree, it's silly the way it is now, if you want to compete or have a low average, you have to glitch wheelies. And if you don't, your average will suck and your stats page will look that little bit uglier. For us stats OCD's this is a bad thing. Scrap em altogether from global ranking, it's the best solution now I think.

[Godmil]

I didn't mind the glitching, I thought of it as just a different technique.. like a medium risk move that you have to do hundreds of times without fail. Only problem is you can spend 15mins on a run then fall over and have to start again. spending that long on a single nofault run isn't really how the game is ment to be played, and it just becomes infuriating that you have to do it to get your ranks up.

I'd really love if Wheelie tracks didn't count towards the global rank.

[AnttiKi]

I'm not a Trials developer, but as a player I agree. The wheelie tracks shouldn't count.

[rlmergeuser]

flip tracks are gey too.
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u went fro #4 to 380.....because of wheelie tracks?? no wonder im still stuck in the 100's....i suxors @ teh weely traxors n teh flipzors traxors.

GET RID OF THEM FOR GLOBAL RANKINGS!

[Dosto]

me agree. akam right is.

[rlmergeuser]

I agree with AkaM (as I'm sure most of you know where I stand on this topic) I think if the wheelie tracks the way they are now should not be counted or at least fix them so if people do the glitch they will not be counted, start counting the wheelie after 15 meters of continous wheelie as opposed to 0.01 meters, that way it will be nearly impossible to glitch and the minimum wheelie will be 15m for example.. I enjoy the fact that a wheelie track is in the game as it is a motorcycle game and doing a wheelie is fundimental for performing tricks, but what is unfair is the fact that alot of players think it is ok to glitch the wheelie tracks which makes it near impossible to those who wish to do it properly, a wheelie is a continous motion on the back wheel as long as you can, not hopping forward and backwards for 20 mins! I don't understand how people think it is "ok" to do it, and as long as it can be dont to "manipulate" the scores it will continue. So I guess you dev's have 2 choices.. Fix the problem or remove it from global ranking.

[rlmergeuser]

AkaM, brillant thought!
Settling the problem without touching the game itself just by adjusting the server-based point calculation system seems doable. I wholeheartedly agree to the proposal.

Now let's hope the system really works that way and it's both technically possible and affordable to get the fix done.