The more time passes, the more disappointed I get in AC2 | Forums

[Megas_Doux]

Interesting, very interesting indeed!

AC II has some my favorite details in the series like the uber awesome soundtrack, the beautiful UNESCO World Heritage Italian cities, The eerie subject 16 glyphs and my long time favorite Assassin tombs. Elements yet to be surpassed. In terms of the story, while pretty cliche, it accomplishes to deliver a very engaging effect to most who played it. Besides that, it also increased the "Sand box values" like collectibles. That more or less dull, and customization-check the previous point- were TOTALLY absent in AC I, a cardinal sin for a game of its nature, speaking of AC I.

Now, with that being said, AC II suffers in my book of a pretty boring combat and a linear story lacking of almost ANY grey area values. In terms of the assassinations and overall gameplay, the "freedom" was reduced from the previous game, but more variety was added and along with that, some really epic moment came without losing much of the original one, like most of their predecessors did, and I am looking at you AC III. Then there is Ezio, a character that may have an "easy" , but very likeable choice, some thing that on the other hand, is not easy to accomplish.


Summarizing I think AC II is a VERY solid game, a GREAT game, one I could understand why is the most beloved one my "most" of the people, one however is not a personal favorite in the series neither in the story area- ACI and ACII take the spot-, nor gameplay and overall environment in which AC IV leads.

[rob.davies2014]

For me the fact that you cannot replay memories really puts me off going back to the game. I'd love to just jump into the story at any point but all I can do is start from the beginning over and over again. I was really surprised this feature wasn't included and that Ubisoft didn't release a patch to make it possible.

[Dome500]

I think the problem here is that all the people here experience the series in a different way. Some might change their opinions if they heared the POV of other people (which I do once in a while), some might not at all understand or even misunderstand what the other party is saying. In the end we all have our very personal experience of how the different AC's are, and they change a little bit every time we play.

Some might detect patterns other do not, some might interpret too much into a situation while others find that very situation lacking. Some might see things others do not.

It's all about your personal experience. And since we are all individuals there is very little aside from game lore that can be proven as fact. It's in this case rather an impression you personally have of a game, situation or series in general.

So let's try to be respectful and polite too each other, even if we do not always have the same opinions or feelings about a thing, or if we misunderstand someone.
It often comes down to out very own POV which others do not absolutely share.

Just wanted to say this.
I hope you don't mind.

[Assassin_M]

I think the problem here is that all the people here experience the series in a different way. Some might change their opinions if they heared the POV of other people (which I do once in a while), some might not at all understand or even misunderstand what the other party is saying. In the end we all have our very personal experience of how the different AC's are, and they change a little bit every time we play.

Some might detect patterns other do not, some might interpret too much into a situation while others find that very situation lacking. Some might see things others do not.

It's all about your personal experience. And since we are all individuals there is very little aside from game lore that can be proven as fact. It's in this case rather an impression you personally have of a game, situation or series in general.

So let's try to be respectful and polite too each other, even if we do not always have the same opinions or feelings about a thing, or if we misunderstand someone.
It often comes down to out very own POV which others do not absolutely share.

Just wanted to say this.
I hope you don't mind.

It's not a problem when people have opinions and different views about different elements of a game (Duh), but when someone tries their absolute best to discredit what you're saying, like someone who starts with "hahahaha lololo", or brings up something like "oh, but that's in other games too" then it becomes annoying and frustrating...

When threads like this for AC III are made and someone just DARES argue with the OP that AC III wasn't THAT bad, everyone jumps on them and says "oh my godzzz, look at the stooopid, uncivilized AC III and connor fanz, zey is so obnoxious" this double standard is very annoying.

It's a subtle way of saying that AC II CANNOT be unliked by someone. It's the type of crap that happened sometime after AC IV was released. Some made threads about not really liking AC IV and EVERYONE started making fun of them...I hope AC IV does not become another god that people worship here

[Dome500]

"oh, but that's in other games too"

Well, I think that special case depends on the situation.
Does the person do this to discredit what you are saying or does he say that to mention one should keep in mind that from that perspective the game can be criticized, but that this is a general problem of the franchise/series.

Anyway, I can understand why this can also be annoying sometimes.

When threads like this for AC III are made and someone just DARES argue with the OP that AC III wasn't THAT bad, everyone jumps on them and says "oh my godzzz, look at the stooopid, uncivilized AC III and connor fanz, zey is so obnoxious" this double standard is very annoying.

I was never a fan of making a game completely bad, I agree. I think it's often an opinion and therefore one has to absolutely state that this is a personal opinion and not a fact.

I think a problem is also often that moods and tone can not be that conveyed through text, therefore it's problematic to get the right tone on an internet forum...

It's a subtle way of saying that AC II CANNOT be unliked by someone.

I don't see it that way.

Some made threads about not really liking AC IV and EVERYONE started making fun of them...I hope AC IV does not become another god that people worship here

I think it is already, but that is hard to avoid in such big AAA franchises.

[Assassin_M]

Well, I think that special case depends on the situation.
Does the person do this to discredit what you are saying or does he say that to mention one should keep in mind that from that perspective the game can be criticized, but that this is a general problem of the franchise/series.

Anyway, I can understand why this can also be annoying sometimes.

It's obvious why a person would say that as an "argument" to a person's opinion of why they don't like the game or think it's disappointing. it's sole purpose is to try and discredit a complaint "oh it's in every game, so your point is invalid"Problem being part of the general series or not, it's a problem in that specific game, I still don't see how citing that a problem in the specified game is also in other games is a solid argument.

I was never a fan of making a game completely bad, I agree. I think it's often an opinion and therefore one has to absolutely state that this is a personal opinion and not a fact.

It's the internet, this is inevitable. Anonymity guarantees that you'll be insulted for daring to speak your mind out, but i'm talking about this forum. Many people here are level-minded and can have healthy discussions, but it's just some certain members who make it a chore to try and say anything here without being made to feel dumb or idiotic.

I don't see it that way.

Well of course, like you said...different points of view.

I think it is already, but that is hard to avoid in such big AAA franchises.

We're not quite there yet, I think...you wont get insulted too hard if you diss AC IV, BUT praise AC II

[Dome500]

Like you said, it's the internet. It's a huge problem.

Though for me personally for example if someone insults me on a fourm this is not half as bad as if someone insults me face-to-face.
It just has less value on the internet, due to anonymity, do you know what I mean?

[RinoTheBouncer]

If the AC franchise is relevant today, it’s because of AC2 and Ezio, that’s first. AC2 modern day might not have much but at least it’s more than just being a faceless, voiceless floating camera.

However, I do agree that there were a lot of stories that were brought up and never continued. I felt like ACII is more like the table of contents for a book that failed to address the listed contents in the table. It’s like the book was left unfinished and the table of contents is being accused of lying while in fact, it’s not it’s fault, it’s the fault of the writers who didn’t continue what they promised.

A lot of ideas were brought up, a lot of loose ends never got tied in the end and until today, more stuff are brought to the table and now Ubisoft doesn’t even know from where to start. Every time they try to start fresh and they bring up more questions and people keep wondering about the past ones. Just pick up from where the past left off and then bring something new...

[Farlander1991]

So many things to read, so little time...

If the AC franchise is relevant today, it’s because of AC2 and Ezio, that’s first.

Define relevancy. Both AC and ACII have sold almost 11 million copies in retail (digital numbers aren't tracked). AC1 received an 80% critical reception in average (sure, AC2 has received 80-90 across different platforms, but that doesn't diminish AC1). All the iconic elements of the AC series are introduced in AC1. So what criteria, other than your own subjective preference (which, you know, I don't have anything against subjective preferences), do you define how relevant the AC franchise is? That Ezio as a character got more positive reception and spin-off titles in forms of ACB and ACR? How would their absence make the franchise any less relevant than it was?

[Dome500]

So many things to read, so little time...



Define relevancy. Both AC and ACII have sold almost 11 million copies in retail (digital numbers aren't tracked). AC1 received an 80% critical reception in average (sure, AC2 has received 80-90 across different platforms, but that doesn't diminish AC1). All the iconic elements of the AC series are introduced in AC1. So what criteria, other than your own subjective preference (which, you know, I don't have anything against subjective preferences), do you define how relevant the AC franchise is? That Ezio as a character got more positive reception and spin-off titles in forms of ACB and ACR? How would their absence make the franchise any less relevant than it was?

Also the series is neither old enough nor has enough parts to actually judge which game had the most relevance.
Once we are going into NR. 5 I one could judge, wouldn't it be for the fact that the franchise does not exist long enough to actually say what is relevant and what not, because 1. not enough time has passed and 2. a lot of huge plot-lines and stories throughout the series have either not been concluded yet or not continued at all.

It is hard to see any main plot-line within the franchise and the definition of how important which story element is is often only defined by the person talking about it and his or her personal preferences and perceptions.

That is the problem.

The franchises story is leading nowhere at the moment. It was way to inconsistent and it's whole point is actually only to show several historical eras and explore different philosophies and concepts of live and society.