learn a song, step one: 100% (am I the only one?) | Forums

[Doos]

I always crank it up to 100%. I find more often than not playing the entire passage is usually a lot easier than playing bits of it. Slowed down of course.

The patterns usually make much more sense when you're at 100% whereas at some of the lower %'s you'll be kind of going all over the place and thinking 'What kind of crazy song is this!? How do they get from here to here and Why!?' then you add the rest in and it fits together nicely.

That's my personal experience.

[Wodashin]

I always turn it up to 100%, for every new song. Then you just take the different sections into riff repeater until you have them down. It seems like a much better way to learn songs.

[Klopzi]

Only thing missing imho would be the possibility to raise tempo up to 110-120% in order to be completely relaxed when playing the song at 100% tempo. This is something that should be easy to implement.

BandFuse will do that. Though the song leveling looks to be more in-line with how Rocksmith did it but with more repetition. There was a video on YouTube a couple days ago - didn't pay super close attention to it though. All I need to pick up BandFuse is a $39.99 price point.

[flamesium]

This is absolutely the way to learn anything on guitar. 'Slow and clean' is a much more efficient way to learn in the long run than 'fast and sloppy', and it's a real shame Rocksmith uses the latter as its default approach. Granted the 'fast and sloppy' approach may make it feel more like a game, and may give absolute beginners a false sense of achievement (which I appreciate isn't necessarily a negative thing if you're trying to prevent them getting frustrated and walking away) but it'd be nice if the game also offered an alternative 'slow and clean' teaching method without having to manually fiddle with the menus.

For people who are just playing for a bit of fun, the current method is fine. For those determined to go from scratch to being able to flawlessly perform a given song, I guarantee it would be quicker / better if the game gave you the 'proper' way of playing straight away and took you through it as slowly as necessary for you to play it flawlessly. At the lowest level, it should slow right down to the point where it just won't progress past a note until you demonstrate that you have found it (like some of the lessons do). You can worry about getting the rhythm & tempo right once you at least know where your fingers need to go, and have had a chance to figure out the most efficient way of doing that. There's basically no point in the game rushing you to keep up and going ahead without you before you even know how to play the song; all that's going to do is teach your fingers movements you later need to 'unlearn' and replace with the correct movements.

Granted, the riff repeater does make most of this possible manually, but a lot of this could be automated as part of a fully formed 'slow and clean' method. The less time you have to spend with your hands off of the guitar the better. And the less time you spend teaching your fingers how to play a song incorrectly the better too.

[GarethNelson]

If you really want to learn a song "note-for-note" as quickly and efficiently as possible then this is the best method to use. The only thing amendment I would make to is to not be so aggressive with the speed reduction - try starting at 50% and run through the whole song three times and if you're above the 70% mark continue at 50% until you nail it otherwise repeat the process at 40% and, if necessary reduce speed by 10% again until you achieve the 70% then maintain that speed until you can nail it 3 times on the trot then raise the speed by 10% and repeat the process until you've mastered the song.

It's very important to get a sense of where you are in a song and bit learning (just learning a section) means you have to learn that separately whereas with the method described you're learning the flow of the song from the very beginning.

Sorry if this is a bot wordy but I'm in a rush so just wanted to get this out there!


Ted

When learning without rocksmith in the traditional way, the absolute most efficient way is to start with "no tempo practice", so slow that a metronome won't actually allow it.

So yes, be aggressive - you'll be amazed at how much easier it is, even if for some it's more boring to do it VERY VERY slow.

[GarethNelson]

Oh, and another thing - you should NEVER practice playing if you can't already play it perfectly - by slowing it down massively you can pretty much guarantee being able to hit every single note, but if you play fast too soon you WILL miss notes and repeated attempts just mean you're practicing how to miss notes.

"Practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent"

[apaatsio]

I just hate having to re-learn the patterns with the added notes after every time you level up a section.

Agreed. This is the most annoying thing about the progressive difficulty.

[TonyFarkas]

Only thing missing imho would be the possibility to raise tempo up to 110-120% in order to be completely relaxed when playing the song at 100% tempo. This is something that should be easy to implement.

ohhhh I like that I hope the dev team sees this.

[Airtrooper719]

Yes I use it all the time the only times I dont use 100% sections are for solos I need to learn but I still want to run through the full songs rhythm a couple of times. Its far better than RS1 now though as before you had to load every section to mastery which often took up to 20 mins per song lol

[DarrenKing2013]

If you want to learn the whole song then playing it a 100% and slow it down is the best but i would not forget about easy / and medium difficulty, I play score attack easy and if you can do it from the off with out stopping then your learning to sight read the screen, so then i try medium if i can do that with few miss notes my sight reading skill has got better too , 100% or hard well i always have to slow it down and learn the song, I think its nice to have a few tools at hand memory and sight reading together come in handy and the easy or medium do just that i use them for the sight reading .