Ammar nerf? | Forums

[Offsidec]

Mass dispel or cleasing light. Banshee, soul reaver can’t do nothing if he has one guardian golem in game.

[Heroesfan123]

As I see it, there is one surefire way to beat Ammar: Take advantage of his sluggish early game, and win before he hits 6 magic. Honestly, I'm not that scared of him.

[silentbobus]

It will be interesting to see what becomes of this. I've never played with or against Ammar, but on paper it looks like the type of deck that is unbeatable once the game goes beyond a certain point. In most CCGs cards are a prized resource. To effectively remove that restriction seems crazy powerful. Oh well I guess I'm not dropping the Void Arbiters from my Dhamiria deck after all.

However I don't think you should expect a rational discussion. If there was a card in the new set that straight up said "Win the game" for 7 resources there would still be people arguing that they could win the game before turn 7 and you should stop QQing and LTP.

[AmineM2]

Banshee, soul reaver can’t do nothing if he has one guardian golem in game.

All builds I have seen don't have the golem (granted I haven't seen too many). The more creatures the Amman deck contains the less effective this deck is. He needs already: Scholar, Djin Catalyst and Wizard Tutor. What will he remove from the deck to accommodate the golems?

And I dont think it is a big issue for Necro to kill two creatures a round. In many Necro decks there are more creature removal tools than the creatures in the Amman deck.

[AmineM2]

If there was a card in the new set that straight up said "Win the game" for 7 resources there would still be people arguing that they could win the game before turn 7 and you should stop QQing and LTP.

And if there was a card in the new set that straight-up said "win the game. Card can be played after 32 rounds of play" there would still be people arguing the card needs a nerf.

[Offsidec]

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[amoshias]

This thread is glorious. I know it's the internet and all, but the number of people who didn't bother to read my original post before whining against it... Okay, so let me repeat myself to address some of the sillier comments:

1. Me: I'm not exactly a new player. I've got a 1500 ELO, which doesn't make me an expert, but probably makes me "not a n00b". And I didn't "see the deck and start a qq thread", I saw the deck, thought the complaints were silly, so I built it myself and played it for a few hours.

2. I said the deck was powerful and resilient, not unbeatable. Really? You beat it once, when you had mana storms out on every key turn? Good for you. That's gonna happen sometimes. But as for your removal, I don't care a bit - that's why the deck runs Day of Sanctuary. I have infinite resources, you don't, eventually day of sanctuary will come up and Ammar will get a creature out and protected. (Most of the time it's more like creature, ice shell, ice shell, sanctuary.) Blind Arbiters? Same thing. Sure, maybe sometimes it'll come up six turns in a row and you'll just eventually roll over me. But for one or two turns, I'm just not scared of it - I don't need to go off. I can sit on my infinite resources and wait.

3. "Sluggish early game" - Seriously... when I say "I've been beating 1500+ players playing Sandolphon and Phiras", do you think that they were counting on their powerful late-game creatures to beat me? Sure, you'll get run over sometimes, but the deck is incredibly resilient. And the thing about the whole "infinite resources" thing is that normally, early game, you have to care about preserving your cards, you have to think "Do I really want to use the Geyser this turn?" With Ammar, you're not only getting the mid-game advantage from his ability, you're getting an early-game advantage just from knowing it's on tap.

I'm not saying I'm right, you're wrong - but I am saying that if you're going to argue the point, please do it from a slightly more informed place.

[AmineM2]

This thread is glorious. I know it's the internet and all, but the number of people who didn't bother to read my original post before whining against it...

Yea it's a bad habit. You wouldn't do that would you?

Okay, so let me repeat myself to address some of the sillier comments:

So you find my comments silly. Good. Now let's see how you argue.

I said the deck was powerful and resilient, not unbeatable.

I agree with that. I never disagreed with that.

Really? You beat it once, when you had mana storms out on every key turn? Good for you. That's gonna happen sometimes.

My words exactly.

But as for your removal, I don't care a bit - that's why the deck runs Day of Sanctuary. I have infinite resources, you don't, eventually day of sanctuary will come up and Ammar will get a creature out and protected. (Most of the time it's more like creature, ice shell, ice shell, sanctuary.)

A bit? Really? You don't need scholars early at all? They are not helpful at all?

And who's comments are silly?

Blind Arbiters? Same thing. Sure, maybe sometimes it'll come up six turns in a row and you'll just eventually roll over me. But for one or two turns, I'm just not scared of it - I don't need to go off. I can sit on my infinite resources and wait.

Are you sure you can wait? Nobody will outrush you meanwhile? Are you really that safe that it doesn't matter if you are ready with your combo by round 7 or 10?

You conveniently overlooked the power of Blind Arbiters + Path of Ancestors combined.

At the moment it looks like an ultimate counter for me. Yea but not for you. You can sit on your unlimited resources forever, right?

[Aegon82]

The deck is good but far from broken.
Just played against it with Ishuma, and I lost only because I made a mistake, didn't see the creature had anchored and tried to outmaneuvre it. I had stream singer so I could have used it before, and kill his creature.
He had 5 life and 3 cards in deck, so I should have won.
And that was my only game against it with a deck "unprepared" for it.

[Hantziie]

just be fast and kill his units, keep their field clean of creatures.