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[Offsidec]

Let's see i said geisers, clasing tides and ice spikes for cost 0. Use cosmic singularity and all is here again. Protection from sots, ice shell, eath grasp, earth shield, ice wall... for cost 0. Trun 6 game is over. But u must have the good counter, blind player.

[AmineM2]

I play Necro. I''m not scared this new deck. I met it once. He put 2 scholars on the battlefield on his round 1. I killed them both with 2 Mass Graves. Then I just executed him.

If I meet this deck too frequently I will switch to Siham (2 or 3 Earth Grasps + mass graves + autokill every round after round 6 should be enough) or Mother Namtaru rush.

Blind arbiters is a event, u can't use all time, only need to wait.

Well, you can make him to wait forever. Just add few Path of Ancestors and with a bit of luck he will never be able to play his combo.

[MeiHabara]

Give Ammar some time. He is really not that uncounterable. The main problem people currently face is that they don't know him.

Ammar is the new Kats Grand Finale OTK. Instead of the old throne boardwipe into super-buffed double attack creature you now wipe the board with magic and superbuff a creature that already has to sit on the board.

There are three ways to deal with Ammar: Crush his monsters, purge chain casting and the djinns, or outrush him.

Most Ammar decks only run a very low amount of creatures, in order to not clutter your hand in your spell-draw-combo. Chances are high that they will only draw a limited amount in the first turns, which you can easily handle. Sanctuary is especially strong here and Kelthors.

Blind Arbiters, but also week of manastorm help you too. path of ancestors can get annoying for Ammars, but also backfire if you can't target their newly laid djinn.

TL;DR: Give it a few weeks time. People figure counters out, maybe academy mill-decks get popular that got the power to completely anhilate Ammars. Right now Ammar is not that strong as kats or yukikos OTKs were at the time of their release, because he still allows you to counterplay him.

[Alekhai]

Have someone mentioned Chaos Imp already?

[Offsidec]

I play Necro. I''m not scared this new deck. I met it once. He put 2 scholars on the battlefield on his round 1. I killed them both with 2 Mass Graves. Then I just executed him.

Ok, one time...

Best version have stone shields for turn 4 or 5. U will win if they haven´t chain casting, nothing more to say.

[AmineM2]

Best version have stone shields for turn 4 or 5.

I play 4 manastorms so this was for round 4, 5 ,6 or 7. And by then he was dead.

Surely I had a very good hand, my opponent wasn't familiar with his new deck and so on. Of course one case is not enough to make any generalization it was just an example. More like 'if you kill his creatures early he has a big problem' than 'watch at me how brilliantly I can manage Amman'. My current deck would probably lose to Amman as I dropped even the Mass Graves, but as I said: if Amman gets annoying I will adjust. There are more than enough counters. At worst I will play the 8 mentioned events which probably will switch such a deck off.

[Offsidec]

Give Ammar some time. He is really not that uncounterable. The main problem people currently face is that they don't know him.

Ammar is the new Kats Grand Finale OTK. Instead of the old throne boardwipe into super-buffed double attack creature you now wipe the board with magic and superbuff a creature that already has to sit on the board.

There are three ways to deal with Ammar: Crush his monsters, purge chain casting and the djinns, or outrush him.

Most Ammar decks only run a very low amount of creatures, in order to not clutter your hand in your spell-draw-combo. Chances are high that they will only draw a limited amount in the first turns, which you can easily handle. Sanctuary is especially strong here and Kelthors.

Blind Arbiters, but also week of manastorm help you too. path of ancestors can get annoying for Ammars, but also backfire if you can't target their newly laid djinn.

TL;DR: Give it a few weeks time. People figure counters out, maybe academy mill-decks get popular that got the power to completely anhilate Ammars. Right now Ammar is not that strong as kats or yukikos OTKs were at the time of their release, because he still allows you to counterplay him.

Otk was turn 10 or 12 and u can discard grand finale before he did his combo. This deck can do it turn 6 or 7 and have protection from all types. Stone shield, ice shell, sots, ice wall, earts grasps, cosmic singularity, tsunami for cost 0, at turn 6.

[AmineM2]

This deck (...) have protection from (...)earts grasps

Honest question: how can he protect from Earth's Grasp?

[Offsidec]

Honest question: how can he protect from Earth's Grasp?

Ok i don´t speak english really well. What i'm trying to say is that u can't do dmg with quick attack. Alundrq is playing with him at twitch, u can see his deck, but how i said before, need some cards like stone shield.

[AmineM2]

Ok i don´t speak english really well.

Don't worry: English isn't my mother tongue as well: maybe it was my mistake.

What i'm trying to say is that u can't do dmg with quick attack. Alundrq is playing with him at twitch, u can see his deck, but how i said before, need some cards like stone shield.

Well - if he plays Earth Grasps he doesn't play Paos and his creatures need to wait one turn minimum so I can kill them (Soulreaver, Mass Grave, Banshee, Mother Namtaru, Siham...), or slow them down with Slow spell. I feel like Necro is well equipped to deal wit Ammar. As I said I'm not scared at all. I will probably lose few games before I learn to deal with him but I'm all right with that.