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[WernherVonTrapp]

I refer back to my first post in this topic, about gun safe's. The mother may have been a gun enthusiast but that doesn't make her a criminal. I know many police officers who are gun enthusiasts and seen them let their kids use them...and some of their kids are not right in my book. But then again I am NOT a psychologist and can't judge others...never mind their children that they spend many more hours with. If you blame the mother, then you have to look at her parents...and their parents. All the way back to when cavemen learned that by killing things you eat better and can wear their skins.

For those here that do not have a doctorate or ever a bachelor's degree in psychology, look very close in the mirror before setting judgement upon others, for you may be seen as the 'different' one. Sometimes being a sheep following the heard isn't the best choice.

Edit: I have seen something about subsim, but then again signing in here before, Ubisoft offered me a bunch of cool stuff...I chose the pre-paid money card, but have yet to see it.

I agree wholeheartedly about the gun safes. In fact, here in NJ, we're advised to lock both the guns and the ammo in different (separate) locations. Now, I never said the mother was a criminal. I did suggest strongly that she had a serious lack of proper judgement in giving her "troubled" son, unfettered access to what we all know are deadly weapons. It is my understanding that she was found lying in her bed, most likely, she died in her sleep.

How do you rationalize a woman, or any parent for that matter who sternly warns all babysitters "never turn your back on my child, not even for a minute", which to me, indicates knowledge of that child's unpredictability, but yet allow that child access to deadly weapons? Come on Donna, even you know that this was more than just poor judgement. You began by saying "lock the guns in a safe". Have you ever dealt with the darker side of someone who has a personality disorder? I have on many occasions. I have two daughters who are autistic, one who was once diagnosed with Aspergers syndrome, but has since been changed to Autistic. It is not uncommon for them to express themselves or vent through fits of anger. This mother had to know this, yet she not only left her guns available to him, she taught him how to use them.

To me, she acted in a manner that was completely detached from normal reasoning. I don't fault her for wanting to channel her sons abnormal energy into something productive, but for a person with a behavioral disorder, there are literally a thousand other hobbies she could have chosen, other than a potentially deadly one, even by accidental standards. This was not directed toward her as a woman, but as a parent, any parent in a similar situation. There may (or may not) be many more parents having children with behavioral disorders who are ardent gun enthusiasts and teach their children the sport. They may even have no problems (thus far) with their children handling firearms (thus far), but personally, if I wish to avoid getting burned, I don't stand too close to an open flame. It's just common sense. This boy's mother knew that he had a serious sensory problem that directly influenced his social ability, even to the point where he felt detatched from others. He was allegedly known to be incapable of feeling physical pain when accidentally burned, according to a witness.

To me, these are clear and present "RED" flags warning that this person should never have been allowed EASY access to ANY firearm. It's not about gender, it's about reasoning and common sense. BTW, here in NJ, if a child (or adult child) gets access to a parent's improperly secured firearm and accidently shoots himself (or anyone else) dead, the parent gets charged with anything from "Endangering The Welfare Of A Child" to "Criminal Negligence", depending on the individual facts of each case. Those ARE criminal charges.

Noun: Criminal Negligence
1. (law) recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences)


I have responded to calls and personally dealt with many adults and children whose behaviors are reminiscent of this poor woman's blight. I also have to personally deal with my younger daughter's abnormal tantrums and outbursts of anger. Yes, my guns are strongly and safely secured from anyone else in my house.

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There's an old indian saying; "Never judge a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins." I've walked hundreds of miles in many mens/womens moccasins. Still, I do not judge, but I speak frankly about things that are apparent. Despite a year of Psychology and Sociology courses, I too am not a Psychologist, nor do I hold a degree.

[donna577]

"Never judge a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins."

You're right, I haven't seen what you've seen, but then again you haven't seen what I have.

[Wolferz]

If you get a mans' moccasins and walk a mile in them, then you can judge him all you wish because...
First, you've got his shoes.
Second, you're a mile away.

Did you see what I saw over on the see saw?
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[WernherVonTrapp]

You're right, I haven't seen what you've seen, but then again you haven't seen what I have.

I'm sorry if I was unclear and you misunderstood my point, which had nothing to do with the things you or I have seen. It was about common sense and reasonable safety procedures that may have prevented a massacre. You alluded to that same type of common sense I was speaking about by mentioning (on more than one occasion) that guns should be locked in a safe. I agreed. The next logical issue to address was who was responsible for the complete disregard or breakdown of that safety system. The mother who owned the weapons, or her son who had been diagnosed with a personality disorder and had a history of reclusive/detached and unpredictable behavior?

As you pointed out by citing gun safes as a pragmatic safety measure, it's clear that neither you or I have to be a rocket scientist to complete the equation. We both admitted that neither of us holds a degree. But, that should not keep us from being able to recognize the obvious. Neither one of us needs to see a lot in order to understand where the breakdown in security occurred here.

[Wolferz]

Now all the copy cats come out of the woodwork like roaches.
A man in central PA just went on a murdering spree and committed suicide by state trooper.
A kid in Colorado was just arrested for plotting to corral students in the auditorium and start killing them. He made the mistake of trying to solicit help from fellow students, who naturally reported his request. Jailed on a one million dollar bond.

We are seeing the end result of the pressure of so many butts being pressed against the wall that the stored energy must be released.
It's going off like Mt St Helens. BOOOM! The elites don't care as long as they get what they want... all of the money!

I heard a rumor the other day regarding the Lanza family to the effect that the father Peter Lanza is to be a witness in the LIBOR manipulation scandal case in Great Britain. Unsubstantiated though.
I'm sure those banksters are rubbing their hands together at how well the distraction campaign is going.

One world government is just around the corner. Headed by the antichrist.
Are you ready to get your mark?
I'll be opting for the craniotomy myself.

[Tully__]

Getting into unfounded speculation and the politics of gun control here. Locked.