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Ok guys I think the main issue with the overall title AC3 is that there is no sense of achievement or victory at the end.
Ofcourse I'm talking about the title by itself without any future title remedies.
What did you think you get any sense of victory as Connor in the end ?
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This issue is the reason i quickly began to like Connor - I knew from History , that no matter what Connor actually achieved in the game , ultimately he was going to Win nothing .
All he had was the inevitable showdown with Haytham to strive for - No matter what satisfaction he gained from catching LEE ........His victory was doomed to be short lived as the Patriots were gonna screw his people over anyway.
Towards the end even Connor began to realise this , but still he stood true to what was right . He is the only real Hero the game has in it .
Whereas the previous Assassin's always had a life of conflict , Connor always had a conflicted life - The way he handled that life really was a show of true character .
( Ironically most people think he's wooden & void of any real character)
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You knew from history but connor never knew, so how does that justify what happened ?Originally Posted by montagemik Go to original post
may I ask when did he begins to realize that this was going to happen to his people ? Which part of the game ?
Personally I think the only achievement that came across here is that he truely did bring freedom upon the land, the freedom for the people, which ever way it resulted. Cause replying Johnson mission yesterday , the templar did want to bring peace to the land HIS WAY whether the people like it or not so they enforce peace which is control, Assassins on the other hand let thing be to whatever happens.
what do you think dear fan ?
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He realised he'd won no real security for his people when Haytham read out Washington's letter to him.
Connor wasn't just angry at Haytham's concealment of this information , Or really not just at Washington's betrayal ......He was also Angry at himself for trusting the patriots to begin with - Through his own actions he'd actually made this betrayal possible, This realisation that despite his own intentions for a fair & just socciety for all , was nothing more than naivety on his part & he had in fact allowed himself to be used for others benefit .
The realisation that the Patriots were no better than the English - Control was all that ultimately mattered for both sides.
(this sentiment is briefly shown in Evacuation day witnessing Slave sales on the Docks.)
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So how come he goes and help Washington again during the Benedict Arnold missions ? GW said its for the cause however Connor has nothing to do there as there is no templar influence just domestic patriot betrayalOriginally Posted by montagemik Go to original post
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Well.You get the feeling that you helped the patriots win the war when you kill Lee.But in the end personally when I watched the slave scene,I realised that the character did not win.In contrast to the previous games where you kill an obvious target that would harm innocent people in this game you help the side that looks innocent,but in the end you realise that you didn't help anyone,you just got to a dead end.
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Ending assassins creed 3 brings a bitter taste to my mouth but at the same time a wave of relief yet sadness fills my body, i feel sorry for connor because in the end all he did was kill five men who need not die, and in the end all he got out of his journey was sadness no accomplishment, no revenge, just an ending to things .
so no there is no victory no accomplishment in completeing assassins creed 3 and thus connor's story there is not but loss and regret and i feel that is exactly how the game was designed in contrast to all the other games ac1 you kill men and accomplish the ending of the crusade against the assassins, ac2 you get revenge against those who killed your familuy, ac brotherhood revenge for monterrigionni and mario , ac revelations accomplishment for saving desmond and seeing the end of ezio's journey, after all that victory its about time we as gamers and as assassins lose for once
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Well said there, and I feel the same about it too.Originally Posted by drewits Go to original post
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Well said. I think that's the reason why people think Connor is dull and s*cks compared to Ezio and Altair who are seen as gods and always did the right thing and made very few mistakes. Connor has his flaws, he reacts as any real person would've if he went through similar tragedies like him. But I think the character of Connor would've been even better received in a novel or a movie outside AC. The formula of his character is too complex and introvert and not that many gamers try do delve that deeply and analyze a character. Many people loved Ezio because he was an extrovert and easy to understand. Not to mention he was funny and a womanizer and people felt comfortable and happy playing as him, while Connor is a sad and depressing character who wins nothing in the end.Originally Posted by drewits Go to original post
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Originally Posted by drewits Go to original post
Well said. That's how I feel as well. Connor is a tragic figure, unlike the past assassins, and in the end, all he achieved was a big zero. The epilogue cutscenes sum it up nicely. I almost cried when he returned to his village and found just the old guy sitting besides the fire.. :|
