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    Connor Based on Frank Hopkins?

    Who is Frank Hopkins? You must be wondering.
    Frank Hopkins was a character of mixed race ancestry, his father was an American and his mother a Native American. Further more he has his own movie titled ‘’Hidalgo’’. Which is loads of fun.

    Anyways this blend of two cultures, of two worlds of two (insert whatever here) relates in nature to the one of Altair. Who if you remember well was son of a Muslim father and a Christian mother.

    If Connor had a similar or even the same nature of origin, it would make things more interesting. Granted he would still have that genetic descendancy from Ezio, Altair etc… but would tie him directly to this new world and at the same time liberate him from the choice and responsibility of the war.
    Frank Hopkins (at least the one in the movie) took the culture of his mother as his own.

    If he where a sole and complete Native American it brings more questions such as:
    - How did he become an instant assassin in such a short period of time?
    - Why would he care or even dress as one of these people from the new world?

    But if you did it on the other way then it would bring these other aspects that seem more plausible IMO.

    - He’s got the assassin skills and talent out of heritage (even if they are very dormant in his sub-consciousness.

    - He is a perfect window for the old world folk into the new one and vice versa, giving you that Clint east wood feeling of (for a handful of dollars).

    - You will see the native Americans as a part of your family and some of the new world folk as part of your family as well, acting as a complete ultimate American. Thus explaining why do you use the revolutionary uniform, why do you know how to read and write, your education and preparation on the usage of new world tools of war.
    And of course your genetic connection to the lineage of Altair.

    Just my two cents, have more stuff but would like to hear something from you guys.
    Also his GF better does not die, Cristina was fine but Revelations made me facepalm in every aspect.
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    frogger504's Avatar Senior Member
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    Frank Hopkins:



    Also, British, not colonist.

    Oh and 1: There's a span of 30 years.

    2: To blend in more.
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    What do you mean, how did he become an assassin in a short amount of time? Most of his training was probably from his time with his tribe, and even then we don't know how long it is until he has full assassin abilities. As to why he dresses mainly european, the Assassins are a European organization. He puts on his uniform to go to work, simple as that.

    EDIT: Also, TWCB DNA doesn't have to be passed down through assassins. Normal people can have it, Templars can have it. Not all assassins can use eagle vision.
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    Originally Posted by Calvarok Go to original post
    What do you mean, how did he become an assassin in a short amount of time? Most of his training was probably from his time with his tribe, and even then we don't know how long it is until he has full assassin abilities. As to why he dresses mainly european, the Assassins are a European organization. He puts on his uniform to go to work, simple as that.
    The Assassins derived from the Middle Eastern Arabian Hashashin order, it is not a European order. The Assassins in game exist worldwide.
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    Originally Posted by rain89c Go to original post
    The Assassins derived from the Middle Eastern Arabian Hashashin order, it is not a European order. The Assassins in game exist worldwide.
    And they have long since ceased being the Hassassin. Altair's order ended, and the next strong and unifying Brotherhood began in Rome. The majority of the assassins in AC3, however, are from the british brotherhood, or possibly another european brotherhood. Hence, a british organization. In those days, each branch of the order acted mostly separate from each other, since communication was still slow. We don't know which is the most powerful branch of the brotherhood in Connor's time, but I'd bet on it being the british one.

    EDIT: By the way, I was quoting Alex Hutchinson when I said "a european organization".
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    Originally Posted by Calvarok Go to original post
    And they have long since ceased being the Hassassin. Altair's order ended, and the next strong and unifying Brotherhood began in Rome. The majority of the assassins in AC3, however, are from the british brotherhood, or possibly another european brotherhood. Hence, a british organization. In those days, each branch of the order acted mostly separate from each other, since communication was still slow. We don't know which is the most powerful branch of the brotherhood in Connor's time, but I'd bet on it being the british one.

    EDIT: By the way, I was quoting Alex Hutchinson when I said "a european organization".
    That and they were around WAY before the 13th century
    Before recorded time even.
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    'zactly.
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    So If they were to make a sequel in Japan featuring a major Assassin unifying the order in Asia, the Assassin order would be considered Asian discounting the fact that the Order derived from Arabian origins?
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    Originally Posted by rain89c Go to original post
    So If they were to make a sequel in Japan featuring a major Assassin unifying the order in Asia, the Assassin order would be considered Asian discounting the fact that the Order derived from Arabian origins?
    Your point I get, but they aren't Arabian, that's just another branch.
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    Originally Posted by rain89c Go to original post
    So If they were to make a sequel in Japan featuring a major Assassin unifying the order in Asia, the Assassin order would be considered Asian discounting the fact that the Order derived from Arabian origins?
    Yeah, it would be known as the Japanese branch of the Assassin Order. During the time of Ezio, there were multiple branches of the Assassin Order operating in their own way, but they still follow fully or parts of the creed. Mario said it best with his statement, "In this modern age, we are not as literal as our ancestors; but our seal is no less permanent." Each country is unique such as named Italian Assassins wearing normal clothes to blend in the population and not using a hidden blade. The Turkish Assassins had dual hidden blades and a hook blade, despite the Codex stating that the metal used are hard to get and usually Master Assassins are allowed to use two. The Chinese Assassin, Shao Jun, used a different type of hidden blade, which was implanted in one of her shoes. Not to mention that she wore a black robe compared to the traditional white.
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