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    Reccommendation sought: PCI socket graphics card

    My new PC's integrated graphics play surprisingly well but when I bought it I originally intended to use the ATI X1950 pro from my old PC in my new one, which is also PCI slotted. The old PC ran XP and the new one is Windows 7. Now I read that with Windows 7, driver support for ATI cards is not so good, and that NVidia seems the way to go. It was my intent to economize by re-using my X1950pro ( and my 650W PSU from my old rig ) but I don't want to run into hassles and may as well bite the bullet, as they say and just buy a new card.

    Can anybody recommend a good NVidia card ( at least 256 ) that will work in a PCI slot? What would the power requirements be. Would the 300W unit in my new PC handle it?

    Thanks again.
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    This should be pretty good if you don't have a PCIE video slot

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...091&CatId=3669
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    Thanks, but have I got to learn. I thought a PCI slot was a PCI slot. I checked, and it turns out I do indeed have a PCI Express X16 slot, so I guess I can't use that one.
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    steve_v's Avatar Senior Member
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    From my perspective, you're making assumptions that may not be reliable.


    First, I wouldn't own a 300w psu and suggest moving forward with installing the 650w.


    Onboard graphics have come a long way since the x1950 pro was released in Oct. 2006. If you'll post the graphics information on the the new box, or a dxdiag, a simple comparison of the two should determine the better option.
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    Since you have PCI E your choices are MUCH better , go to tigerdirect.com or newegg.com and look up PCI E video cards
    and read the info on them , it will tell you what power supply you need , some of the lower end cards will run on 300W power
    supply. However if you're serious about your gaming you will need a 500 W or higher for the really good video cards.
    Avoid the super cheap power supplies , they are not very reliable.

    sg
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    Here is first a link for the specs of the X1950 graphics card: http://reviews.cnet.com/graphics-car...g=mncol;subnav

    It was said by many at the time to be a good card but definitely liked lots of wattage. The new PC's even with the integrated graphics plays SO MUCH better than my 9 year old PC.

    I could not find anywhere online the performance specs of my onboard graphics unit listed in the PC's specs, but maybe the Dxdiag might show it. I've posted what I figured would be the relevant parts of it ( to avoid to cluttered a post ) If need be I guess I can post the whole thing. Here it is:

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    System Information
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    Time of this report: 3/1/2012, 00:40:23
    Machine name: TR-HP
    Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
    System Model: p6-2003w
    BIOS: Ver: HOL_706.ROM vHOL7.06
    Processor: AMD E2-3200 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (2 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
    Memory: 4096MB RAM
    Available OS Memory: 3570MB RAM
    Page File: 1395MB used, 5744MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
    User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
    System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
    DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
    DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode

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    DxDiag Notes
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    Display Tab 1: No problems found.
    Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
    Input Tab: No problems found.

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    DirectX Debug Levels
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    Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
    DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
    DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
    DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
    DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
    DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
    DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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    Display Devices
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    Card name: AMD Radeon HD6370D Graphics
    Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x9642)
    DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9642&SUBSYS_2ACF103C&REV_00
    Display Memory: 2031 MB
    Dedicated Memory: 501 MB
    Shared Memory: 1529 MB
    Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
    Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
    Monitor Model: Acer AL2216W
    Monitor Id: ACRAD74
    Native Mode: 1680 x 1050(p) (59.954Hz)
    Output Type: HD15
    Driver Name: aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx32,at icfx32,aticfx32,atiumd64.dll,atidxx64.dll,atidxx64 .dll,atiumdag,atidxx32,atidxx32,atiumdva,atiumd6a. cap,atitmm64.dll
    Driver File Version: 8.17.0010.1083 (English)
    Driver Version: 8.862.3.0
    DDI Version: 11
    Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Date/Size: 6/30/2011 02:46:00, 811008 bytes
    WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp:
    Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-D502-11CF-B777-C50ABEC2C535}
    Vendor ID: 0x1002
    Device ID: 0x9642
    SubSys ID: 0x2ACF103C
    Revision ID: 0x0000
    Driver Strong Name: oem10.inf:ATI.Mfg.NTamd64.6.1:ati2mtag_Sumo_Deskto p:8.862.3.0ci\ven_1002&dev_9642&subsys_2acf103c
    Rank Of Driver: 00E60001
    Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
    Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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    {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
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    D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
    DXVA-HD: Not Supported
    DDraw Status: Enabled
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    First, for many reasons, the X1950 Pro is the better of the two GPUs. Tom's Hardware updates a Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart that I will link here. You'll see the 1950 Pro ranks four tiers higher than the 6370D.


    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ew,3107-7.html


    Concernnig drivers, AMD has moved your 1950 Pro to a legacy category and reccommends the Cat 10.2. The details are here.


    http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...3&lang=English




    This should give you a better understanding of what you have and the limitations involved with intergrated and legacy products.
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    Thanks for that chart steve_v. It's an excellent tool I can use to compare; much appreciated.
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