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    I'll go see it in Cinema first week. They have cool planes, I'll watch it. I'll may Boo a cople of times when I'll see silly markings on planes or UFO like maneuvers, but I'll have fun none the less.

    I also think it's not exactly true, that today's historical movies are worse than the older ones. We all seen plenty movies where they flew crop dusters and called them Stukas, so I'd rather have high quality CGI.

    There's one war movie i'm looking forward to see, that claims to have very realistic "acting" and toys:

    ACT OF VALOR

    http://actofvalor.com/#/TRAILER

    They storry could be overly dramatized, but since they are going to use real Navy SEALs, their real weapons and a lot of live ammunition, at least we won't see too much of the usual flinching hollywood actor, charging a machine gun nest with a pair of 1911's.


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    I wonder if Cuba Gooding Jr. lives through this one
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    Originally Posted by Feathered_IV Go to original post
    The subject is certainly interesting, but I don't think George Lucas is sophisticated enough to do it justice.
    I beg to differ, Lucas has his own P-51... He has been a warbird fan since childhood.. and he has wanted to do this project for 20 years but no Hollywood studio would support it because it had a predominantly black cast so he funded it himself. He also rejected the first few scripts .... From what I have seen and read and I have been following this since I first heard about it in 2005, they paid a lot of attention to detail. The names have been changed .. but you can find Ben Davis (Terrance Howard..) .. you can find George "Spanky" Roberts (Cuba Gooding) whoose daughter is Robin Roberts of ABC News.. .. You can find Roscoe Brown (The P-51 doing the hammer stall onto the Me-262.. I don't know what it is in the movie .. but in real life it was "Bunnie" named after his daughter.. ) ... The markings and squadron insignia are spot on although it looks as if they are not embroidered but painted .. but they are correct. Some purists will look at things like FMs etc.. but
    A)You can't tell much about FMs from a film .. it might look suspect ... but it is Hollywood.
    B)There has not been one warbird movie that did not have issues with the aircraft scenes.. even the classics like DBW .. BoB .. and the original Tuskegee Airmen.




    Originally Posted by Worf101 Go to original post
    See my Sig. Of course, will be there front and center. I've outfitted myself with a "fairly" accurate pilots uniform for the occaission. I'll post pics on Sat or Monday. My thoughts on the film going in are the following:

    Graphics and Flight Models:
    From a military historical perspective they've gotten a lot more right than they do wrong. I'm a military historian and a rivet head. Recent films like "Pearl Harbor" and "Fly Boys" made my head want to explode. In the former the P-40's and Zero's flew around like X-Wings and Tie-Fighters. But a cetain amount of this has to be expected in any movie. From the trailers the ships tend to be modeled correctly altough some of the German squadron markings are "off". At least the planes look right. Except for the Battle of Britain, most WWII airplane engagements were akin to Pilot A who's above and behind Opponent B, drops down on him and kills him before he knew what happened. Not very entertaining. As long as they keep it within reason, a certain amount of run and gun is expected.


    History:
    Lucas said on the Daily show that this movie is NOT about the politics of the Tuskegee Airmen but about their bravery. I contend that their contribution was not extraordinary to a thousand other Squadrons UNLESS you put it in historical context. However Lucas said all he wanted to do was make a film about heroic, young pilots in WWII who just happened to be black. Where he's bucking the system with this one is that in all Big Ethnic Blockbusters... well most anyway, you MUST have a white male lead to sell the product to middleclass white America...

    "Dances With Wolves" - Costner
    "Last Samurai" - Cruise
    "Glory" - Matthew Broderick
    "The Help" - I'm being facetious.

    That is why he claims it took him sooooooo long to get the film green lighted. I believe he oughtta know.

    Personally, I just hope it's a good film Lucas's track record hasn't been too good of late. Here's hoping he strikes gold here.
    Worf

    I took the day off.. I will be there @ 1000 on Friday .... I think the film will be good from what I have read and seen so far.. I can tolerate a little stretching in areas like the CGI planes (only 3 P-51s were used in the film I think... )
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    I'm looking forward to it. It's not going to be a documentary, it's a movie to entertain so I accept that liberties will be taken. I hope it is as realistic as possible but if the markings aren't quite right and the planes move in an exaggerated way to fit into the frame or something then fine.
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    The CGI stuff might not be too 'over the top'. I think Lucas might know a bit more about WWII fm's than we think. If i recall correctly, he used WWII aerial combat films to help make the combat scenes in the first Star Wars film more believable.
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    Originally Posted by Bearcat99 Go to original post
    From what I have seen and read and I have been following this since I first heard about it in 2005, they paid a lot of attention to detail. ... The markings and squadron insignia are spot on although it looks as if they are not embroidered but painted .. but they are correct.

    They may have gotten some 322-nd P-51 markings correct, but they blew pretty much everything else.
    The B17-s they are escorting have markings of 8-th Airforce based in England, not those of 15-th AF based in Italy.

    They engaged Me-262's of JG7 wich looked something like this:

    not like this:


    The Bf-109 markings are just as silly, with pre war swastika, that silly phantasy yellow horisontal band on the vertical stab, and the 3rd SS Panzer Division insignia on some planes.




    You are telling me this is what someone comes up with, after years of research?
    They could get this right in hours if they cared.
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    C'mon folks, I'm as much a stickler for detail and accuracy as anyone here but I'm not going to rip this to shreds before I've even seen it.
    Be careful what you say on the internet. What may be a trivial comment to you may be deeply hurtful to another.
    Some of you may be interested in this...

    George Lucas has decided that he won’t be making any more big-budget films, saying that he’ll be embarking on a "new destiny" after he takes a step back from the blockbuster movie business.

    The creator of the ‘Star Wars’ franchise cites the growing animosity for him among film fans as one of the main reasons for his retirement.

    “On the Internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie,” he told the New York Times, referencing fans who have made their own re-edits of the famous sci fi trilogy.

    “I’m saying: ‘Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.’”

    He’s currently promoting ‘Red Tails’ in the US - which he battled to get to the big screen and has funded himself as a consequence.

    “Why would I make any more when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?”, he said, referring of course to every movie he’s been involved with since ‘The Phantom Menace’ in 1999.

    “I’m moving away from the business, from the company, from all this kind of stuff.”
    Star Wars creator George Lucas reveals why he is quitting blockbusters

    And..

    George Lucas has said he is retiring from making blockbusters after claiming that Hollywood refused to fund his latest movie because it has a black cast.
    The creator of the Star Wars films has been working on Red Tails for 23 years, but had to finance it himself after rejections from major studios.
    The film, which is released in US cinemas this week, tells the story of the Tuskegee Airmen, a group of black pilots in the Second World War.

    It stars Cuba Gooding Jr and Terrence Howard, and was shot by the black director Anthony Hemingway.
    Lucas, 67, said: ‘‘I figured if I could get the prints and ads paid for by the studios that they would release it. I showed it to all of them and they said, ’No. We don’t know how to market a movie like this.’
    ‘‘It’s because it’s an all-black movie. There’s no major white roles in it at all. It’s one of the first all-black action pictures ever made.’’

    Lucas said the $US58 million budget was ‘‘reasonably expensive’’ and studios were used to movies with black casts costing less. He was also told the studios could not see a foreign market for the film.
    The director said one studio’s executives did not even turn up for the screening of Red Tails.
    He told the New York Times: ‘‘Isn’t their job at least to see movies? I’m retiring. I’m moving away from the business, from the company, from all this kind of stuff.’’
    The film has received a mixed response from critics, who have praised its aerial dogfight scenes and "laudable" aims but say it misses the mark.
    The San Francisco Chronicle said it "reduces a historical story of deep cultural significance to merely a flyboy flick," while the Green Bay Press Gazette called it "grounded by clumsy dialogue."
    Another reason for Lucas' retirement appears to have been a backlash he received from fans for making changes to the original Star Wars films, including introducing extra dialogue for Darth Vader.
    He said he intends to return to making experimental, low budget art house films of the kind he created as a student.


    Lucas quits blockbusters over 'all-black' movie snub

    I really thought American culture and society had left this sort of thing behind a long time ago.

    I guess I was wrong.
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    Originally Posted by Jaws2002 Go to original post
    They may have gotten some 322-nd P-51 markings correct, but they blew pretty much everything else.
    The B17-s they are escorting have markings of 8-th Airforce based in England, not those of 15-th AF based in Italy.

    They engaged Me-262's of JG7 wich looked something like this:

    not like this:



    I think that is intended as a clever way for even the most indifferent viewer to easily identify friend from foe in the CG action sequences. The audience can go, "This movie is called Red Tails. And those ones are yellow, so they must be the baddies... " This also removes the need to have the comedy foil character ask during briefing, "Sir, how will we kno who the enemy is?". With the slightly disdaining reply from his commander, "They are the ones with the crosses on son". An innovation over the last US potboiler, Flyboys.
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    Well of course I'll probably end up going to see it but the turn at 2min 12 secs ( I think BC 99 references it earlier in thread ) seems unbelievably UFO and as for the 50 cals vs cruiser /battle ship in final scene ...Oh Boy!!!!
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