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    ...reveals same problem as in every game in the IL-2 series: dive modelling. There is none.

    In shallow or steep dives, A6M5 series can dive just as well as F6F. Just as, in FB/AEP, Spitfire Mk. IX dives just as well as FW190.

    This will seriously impact Allied tactics against Japanese fighters. In the war, the only sure means to escape a pursuing Japanese fighter was to dive to max speed then roll or turn. This will not work in PF. Too bad.
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    ...reveals same problem as in every game in the IL-2 series: dive modelling. There is none.

    In shallow or steep dives, A6M5 series can dive just as well as F6F. Just as, in FB/AEP, Spitfire Mk. IX dives just as well as FW190.

    This will seriously impact Allied tactics against Japanese fighters. In the war, the only sure means to escape a pursuing Japanese fighter was to dive to max speed then roll or turn. This will not work in PF. Too bad.
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    Think B&Z with a wingman on the Zekes below doing their circle jerk.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bubiH:
    This will not work in PF. Too bad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but thats Rubbish.
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    -nz,
    I think you are sugar coating it a bit too much.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bubiH:
    ...reveals same problem as in every game in the IL-2 series: dive modelling. There is none.

    In shallow or steep dives, A6M5 series can dive just as well as F6F. Just as, in FB/AEP, Spitfire Mk. IX dives just as well as FW190.

    This will seriously impact Allied tactics against Japanese fighters. In the war, the only sure means to escape a pursuing Japanese fighter was to dive to max speed then roll or turn. This will not work in PF. Too bad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Did you do a search on this? Someone recently proved there was dive modelling beyond question in ORR with graphs and all that kinda stuff.
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    I tested rigorously the F6F-5 against A6M2, A6M5, and A6M5c in both shallow (40 degree) and vertical dives from 5,000m. Same test I used to show that the Spitfire IX dives equal with FW-190A and FW-190D series in Forgotten Battles/AEP. This is an obvious FM problem, and I just wanted to check if anything had changed for Pacific Fighters.

    My results: A6M5 series planes dive equally with the Hellcat (or any American plane). A6M2 is 5% slower in dives than the Hellcat. Of course, IRL, no Zero could stay with the American aircraft going downhill.

    We will have to wait for a future flight sim to practice real, historical tactics. For now, we have a really fun game.

    Enjoy!
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    Mullarkey! I'm not knowledgeable enough to say whether it is perfectly accurate, but dive modeling does exist in spades. Testing out planes in AEP from 5 km in a 60-degree dive- A6M begins to break apart at 680 km/h IAS, P-47 hits 900 km/h and has to pull out or risk running out of sky.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by effte:
    -nz,
    I think you are sugar coating it a bit too much. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Hmmm... should I have gone with CAPS after all?

    So bubiH, can we have a track so we can see what you have observed for ourselves?
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