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You cite popular opinion and demand proof. Thats neato.
My opinion is fact. An LCD can provide far better pixel accuracy at high resolution.
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Junior Member
Thats right, when the majority of people agree about one thing and one person disagrees, its up to that lone person to bear the burden of proof because they are contesting popular opinion.
And sorry, but saying 'my opinion is fact' is not enough, although its quite funny.
Now, if the majority of people agreed with you then I would need to be the one to prove them wrong, which isnt the case.
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BaldieJr,
Your first post was a putdown to anyone who dared to claim that they could get good quality at 1600x1200 with their CRT's. I responded by stating that your opinion was laughable given that any decent CRT has better overall image quality than even the highest priced LCD's.
I will admit that my first response was confrontational but given that you practically called me and anyone else who used a CRT with a top-end graphics card an idiot it was quite tame.
Top quality LCD's cost a LOT of money and they are still not equal in image quality over a good CRT. Your average OEM/standard cheap LCD is as about as much use to a gamer as tits on a bull, for a fraction of the cost a good CRT monitor will look sharper than the equivelant sized LCD.
For the price of a 6800GT and a top quality 19" CRT you could buy a top quality LCD and a 9600XT. I know what I (and any other gamer) would prefer, hell most peoples complete systems cost less than a quality LCD.
The simple fact is that given the cost of a quality LCD the benefits do not equal the rewards.
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If the majority wants to sit around and recycle magazine quotes from 5 years ago, feel free, but anyone with half a brain can take a look at a modern LCD (at high resolution) and see that it is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the CRT.
I'm using 1280x1024 and LOVING IT.
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Baldie, you would create alot less contention if you stopped using phrases such as 'anyone with half a brain can take a look at a modern LCD (at high resolution) and see that it is LIGHT YEARS ahead of the CRT', thereby sublty indicating that others around you are morons if they dont agree with your opinion.
Truth be told I have not personally seen or compared every high end CRT with every high end LCD, but from what I have personally seen I have not been impressed with LCDs. Nobody who knows me in person whould go as far as to say I have half a brain (or am mentally deficient as you veiledly indicated) because of that fact.
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Here is my post, and your response:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ICDP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Even a trinitron tube looks like carp at that res.
Be realistic. 1600x1200 on a 19" monitor just isn't going to work. Even on the very best monitor, the chances of the beam hitting the pixels perfectly, without electron spray around the shadow mask, are nill.
If you want the high res you need an LCD.
I have one, I run it at 1200x1024, and can see dots long before I'd see them at 800x600 on my old 29" inch monitor.
LCD's are where its at. Anyone who spends $500 on a video card while using a CRT monitor is just missing the point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
IMHO no LCD can match the quality of a top class CRT. The only thing LCD's have got going for them is size, you have to pay a massive amount of money for a decent spec LCD and even then it still isn't as good as a decent CRT.
I build/fix/sell PC's for a living and I am talking from experience. Would your 29 inch monitor be one of those with a very low dot pitch (.68 - .74) and a resolution of 800x600?
I am currently running a 19" monitor and it beats even high end LCD's of the same screen size and at a fraction of the cost. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't say anything personal about anyone, or indicate that anyone was stupid.
You said "IMHO no LCD can match the quality of a top class CRT."
This is wrong.
I would also like to point out how you claim your 19" CRT is better than high-end LCD's, even though this is patently false.
If your 19" CRT was so hot, why would anyone buy a "high end LCD"?
My LCD was only $325. Is that high-end? I don't think so. But I've got a high-end NEC with a trinitron CRT sitting in front of me right now... It costs about the same as my LCD and you know what? Its BLURRY. It looks like GARBAGE.
Its a high-end CRT up against a fairly-priced LCD and guess which looks better?
The LCD.
Now, if you'll look at my smarty-pants remark earlier in this thread (it has others quotes in it), you'll see why I responded they way I did. SOMEONE edited someone elses response in order to troll, and that someone is who I quoted. If you can't be bothered to look at the details, please find a way to not be bothered to talk to me.
In short: LCD's own CRT's now. There is no reason to buy a new CRT unless you are super-duper poor.
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your all forgetting also that even on the very top lcd screens you get ghosting especially in fast games even with a 15 or 16ms responce time and most are still 20+ms responce and at a res of 1280 x 1024 @ 75 Hz Max Resolution still flickers to me slightly even thou they say it dont just try going from 100 or 85 down to 75 and your see, you get no ghosting on a crt, period, but lcd's look cool and are ok for anything but gameing at the moment, 2d games play on them ok thou and some slow 3d games, that comes from a few friends that bought lcd's after haveing a crt you will notice ghosting its a pain.
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IMHO, my 19" SONY Trinitron CRT at 1600X1200 runs circles around any LCD which I have personally observed, for FB/AEP/PF. I ALWAYS "fly" FB/PF at 1600x1200.
Comparing the newest LCD's to run-of-the-mill CRT's isn't a fair test/comparison.
The only thing better than a 19" Trinitron would be one of the top of the line 21" models.
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Lies Lies Lies and more lies.
Do you know how a CRT works? You do realize that CRTs (especially cheap ones) ghost? They have to, otherwise they wouldn't work.
The only reason ghosting was ever brought up is because older LCD's couldn't switch the pixels off/on fast enough. But you know what? That was the past.
So was the flat-world theory.
The CRT I'm comparing is the very expensive, brand new NEC trinitron on my desk at work. I'm comparing it to the brand new, not-so-expensive LCD on my desk at home. I've played PF on both and I can tell you point blank:
The LCD is a far cry better.
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ive got a several year old dell 21 inch that i bought last month used for 85 bucks at a computer store. ill stack it up against any lcd. ive been looking at buying an lcd and i really dont see any difference between LCD and CRT.
my monitor is completely crisp and zero blur. if you have a crt that is blurry then its broke. either that or you need to realize you need to zap it every couple months to make the picture crisp again.
i see no value to the LCD other than space and coolness factor of newer tech. youll never notice a difference between them playing FB.
the most difference you will get on visuals is upgrading vid cards. PERIOD.
now if you can find me a LCD for 85 dollars that is 21 inches let me know
now you can shut up about uber duber LCDS