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    mike_espo's Avatar Senior Member
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    I have been playing both online and off. Even when I set up a bounce situation vs AI, even at rookie setting, they always seem to spot me.

    Online, I can easily bounce opponents if the conditions are right...but offline, it seems impossible.

    I remember back before AEP, that the AI at least at rookie settings could be surprised and you could sneak up on them but now....
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    I have been playing both online and off. Even when I set up a bounce situation vs AI, even at rookie setting, they always seem to spot me.

    Online, I can easily bounce opponents if the conditions are right...but offline, it seems impossible.

    I remember back before AEP, that the AI at least at rookie settings could be surprised and you could sneak up on them but now....
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    The only way is if you bounce those tards at considerably higher speed than they are operating.
    It isn't that hard but if you are in a plane that is slower or doesn't like high speeds that may be a problem however.
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    You can't wait until usual suggested guns range on a bounce of AI. You gotta start hitting them at 500 meters if possible. If you wait until 400 meters, they always "see" you and take evasive action.

    After they evade, all you can do is stay behind them until you get another shot at less than 300 meters.
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    Just for the sake of practicing bounces and gunnery , I set up a low flight of (say) FW190 carrying bombs. You can then bounce each of the four of them in turn if you can hit one hard and carry enough speed through the bounce.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by han freak solo:
    You gotta start hitting them at 500 meters if possible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>+1
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    Absolutly they can.....What you NEVER want to do is go for the lead, go for the wingman, and though you can bounce them from on high with enough speed, swooping below then coming up low 6 will let you get in to even less then 100m.
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    Billy says it.. I've managed to come up from below & behind and nail the wingman. They tend to get excited at this point. I've noticed on recordings that although they cannot see you they'll follow your flight path, but will only shoot if they can 'visually' see you, so there's is a leeeetle bit of human element in the AI.

    Billy, you're getting around a bit.. the Dam fire now you're on a boat catching a big fish
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
    Absolutly they can.....What you NEVER want to do is go for the lead, go for the wingman, and though you can bounce them from on high with enough speed, swooping below then coming up low 6 will let you get in to even less then 100m. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I would love to see that....
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    What DKoor and Han Freak say!

    Coming in at high closure, 100kph difference +minimum+ (more like 150-200) you drop the hammer
    from 400m-500m out and you'll have time to correct a little and get your shots in quickly
    before you have to break to avoid ramming. Hit him at the higher delta-V and you will be
    gone before he has had time to more than start a jink.

    Note that at high closure your range is effectively shorter. By relative speeds it is same as
    him moving into your fire as the shells travel. In long range with high closure it becomes
    like 50m or more closer, note that for how much above or below the pipper to shoot -- your shots
    rise and fall unlike your sight line.

    The best way is shoot with deflection. Target is =far= less shielded. His ability to turn
    inside your shots is much reduced. Your ability to exit at a wide angle to his flight path
    is much enhanced, a must if there are mates flying along the same path.

    If I fire from 100m close at high delta-V and not deflected, the chances are we will collide.
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