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    The majority know that pulling high-g turns result in blackout, often resulting in mole like behaviour for the TnB folk and upsetting the local farmers. Hopefully most also know that the effects of g-forces are cumulative (don't wish to assume). AFAIK about 7g was usually the limit in WWII era, but continual manouvres involving 4/5g will have the same effect (but don't quote me on the figures).

    Does anyone know if cumulative effects are modelled in FB/ PF? If they're not, and if they could be, I think it would have quite a significant impact on the way TnB fights are fought and on the way some use hard erractic 'jinking' to avoid being hit with a bandit on the six.

    Anyone?

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    The majority know that pulling high-g turns result in blackout, often resulting in mole like behaviour for the TnB folk and upsetting the local farmers. Hopefully most also know that the effects of g-forces are cumulative (don't wish to assume). AFAIK about 7g was usually the limit in WWII era, but continual manouvres involving 4/5g will have the same effect (but don't quote me on the figures).

    Does anyone know if cumulative effects are modelled in FB/ PF? If they're not, and if they could be, I think it would have quite a significant impact on the way TnB fights are fought and on the way some use hard erractic 'jinking' to avoid being hit with a bandit on the six.

    Anyone?

    Regards

    AI-1
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    HayateAce's Avatar Banned
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    Get behind a 190 and watch the ******ed barrel rolls, one after another after another........
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
    Get behind a 190 and watch the ******ed barrel rolls, one after another after another........ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    AFAIK a barrel roll doesn't necessarily involve high-g.

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    Tully__'s Avatar Global Moderator
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    It's modelled.

    The base threshold is about 5G IIRC. If you pull just over that you'll take some time to fully black out. If you go straight to 9 or 10 G you'll black out almost instantly.

    Similarly, if you've recently been blacked out and only just recovered, it takes very little G over the threshold to return you to a blacked out state.

    I think this accounts for some of the complaints from online pilots about enemy aircraft shooting them while they're blacked out. They see someone creeping up behind them and "panic pull" on the stick. This puts them way over the threshold and quickly renders them unable to control the plane. The pilot behind is flying with the blackout threshold in mind and crosses the 5G threshold much more carefully. This gives the following pilot several seconds to make the shot and ease off without losing control
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tully__:
    It's modelled.

    The base threshold is about 5G IIRC. If you pull just over that you'll take some time to fully black out. If you go straight to 9 or 10 G you'll black out almost instantly.

    Similarly, if you've recently been blacked out and only just recovered, it takes very little G over the threshold to return you to a blacked out state.

    I think this accounts for some of the complaints from online pilots about enemy aircraft shooting them while they're blacked out. They see someone creeping up behind them and "panic pull" on the stick. This puts them way over the threshold and quickly renders them unable to control the plane. The pilot behind is flying with the blackout threshold in mind and crosses the 5G threshold much more carefully. This gives the following pilot several seconds to make the shot and ease off without losing control </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Thanks for clarifying Tully

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    Xiolablu3's Avatar Senior Member
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    Some good info there Tully thanks
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
    Get behind a 190 and watch the ******ed barrel rolls, one after another after another........ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    LMAO! He manages a yankwhine about the 109 without any reference in the thread.

    Bravo
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    p1ngu666's Avatar Senior Member
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    he means stick stearing, where it looks like u are following a epleptic pilot. barrel rolls should be okish.

    bnz guys only want phyical things from tnb modeled, but not stuff from flying at high alt ofcourse...
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    It was strangely the reason why Bader was good, because he had no legs the centre of his body was higher and unlike other pilots that pulled High G the blood could not pool in his lower legs, therefore he was able to withstand G's that would black most pilots out... It gave him his edge in high G manouevers.......

    Do we have red outs modelled?
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