1. #1
    I've generally played on easier settings, but now I would like to get where I can play online...but I can't land to save my life. I've done everything the 'training' mission said. I've spent every afternoon this week with a QMB mission trying to land the bf-109F4. So far I've had 2 successful landings...yes, just 2...and neither was pretty.

    Hell, I thought that maybe I was reaching too high...so I set up another QMB mission with an A/C with a wide-track undercarriage. The results were no better.

    My landing speeds are between 150 and 190 KPH as I reach the runway. If higher I go around again.

    General results:

    1. Gear crack up on first touch down...I've managed to alleviate this somewhat by adding a little throttle to lift the nose just before touchdown. Someday maybe I'll be able to get the timing better.

    2. Gear crack up on second touch because the plane has bounced on the first. Even my 2 completely successful landings have a bounce happening.

    3. Plane noses over just as it's about to stop despite the fact that I've either let go of the controls completely, or have the elevator raised to keep the tail down. I use as little brake as possible.

    Once I get to below 200 KPH, the plane is sluggish and seems to wallow.

    I'll be extremely grateful for any help. Otherwise I'll be stuck flying either the Me-321, or the Me-163 for the rest of my life.
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    I've generally played on easier settings, but now I would like to get where I can play online...but I can't land to save my life. I've done everything the 'training' mission said. I've spent every afternoon this week with a QMB mission trying to land the bf-109F4. So far I've had 2 successful landings...yes, just 2...and neither was pretty.

    Hell, I thought that maybe I was reaching too high...so I set up another QMB mission with an A/C with a wide-track undercarriage. The results were no better.

    My landing speeds are between 150 and 190 KPH as I reach the runway. If higher I go around again.

    General results:

    1. Gear crack up on first touch down...I've managed to alleviate this somewhat by adding a little throttle to lift the nose just before touchdown. Someday maybe I'll be able to get the timing better.

    2. Gear crack up on second touch because the plane has bounced on the first. Even my 2 completely successful landings have a bounce happening.

    3. Plane noses over just as it's about to stop despite the fact that I've either let go of the controls completely, or have the elevator raised to keep the tail down. I use as little brake as possible.

    Once I get to below 200 KPH, the plane is sluggish and seems to wallow.

    I'll be extremely grateful for any help. Otherwise I'll be stuck flying either the Me-321, or the Me-163 for the rest of my life.
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  3. #3
    Are you using your landing flaps? Try comming in at descent of 500 fpm then as you are about to touch down pull the stick to 100 ft per min and see if the landing gear likes it better. I usually fly US planes and am usually at 90-110 MPH on touchdown depending on the plane. Raise your flaps back up when your wheels are down to avoid floating too much. Pull back on the stick while braking to help avoid the nose over.
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  4. #4
    You are trying to land on an air field aren't you?

    Practice landing when you are up high @ say 1000m altitude.

    Drop flaps and gear - then see how slowly you can fly without stalling. For the 109f I expect that you may be at around 130 or so. Perhaps a little slower.

    Then when you know how slow you can go when your plane is all dirty. Practice flying around the airfield at low altitude.

    Low is nearly landed, under 10 meters! Then edge closer to the ground and set her down.

    Gently! NO BOUNCING! Easy peasy.
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    Practice over and over ... learn to enter and use the traffic pattern, say enter at 800m, speed say 200+ don't make your decent angle too steep on final, line up with runway aim for the threshold, try to be say 30 over stall speed at 1/3 rd throttle, watch your speed all the way down, when you are at hanger roof height gently flare up, cut the throttle setting in half or less from the third setting, just ride it out till she stalls to the pad, adjust with rudder aileron, be carefull to tap breaks lightly till she slow's down.....good luck
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  6. #6
    Hello Grand_Armee,
    do not be worry !!
    Be patience - it works !!

    1) Look at first straight ahead inside the cockpit
    before take-off how
    high the bar under the target-cycle is to the
    airfield landing strip you are.
    This is the position by landing the plane
    without crashing the wheels.
    Use the normal sight with the target cycle (Visier) - not wide view or zoom.


    2) Incoming power hold at 35 % and speed about
    190 km/h . At the moment if you touch down
    power at 0 %.
    Then pull the stick full to you and hit several times very short the brakes with using the rudder to stay at the landing strip.
    Use the normal sight with the target cycle (Visier) - not wide view or zoom.

    3) Use the practice mission "Landing at
    grass strip" from Straight of the farm from Zeus.cat and change the plane to yours and set the time to 17,30 with an editor
    Your target with the target cycle are the two
    fires at the grass strip as landing target.
    And then your minimum target (try to target with the cockpit bar) is the end of the grass strip roundabout to get the right position like point one.

    I have had the same problems like you - and now
    I can land every fighter with tail wheel as so good as the fighters without tail wheel - using and practice this three points above at first about 15x for every plane.

    Please excuse my bad englih - I hope you can understand it.

    Cheers
    Gerhard
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  7. #7
    pretty good advice on landing procedures

    But I am a pilot in real life. I play ShIV not this sim but it is great fun to read what you guys post.

    I recomend the manouver that Waldo.Pepper has described, it is used in real aviation when flying new equipment.

    My 2 cents.

    What you got to do in order to have the "feel" for the runway is:

    Extend Final.
    keep in mind that a plane turns into a crate when full flaps are deployed and gear is extended. when you are landing you are no longer flying. you are in a controled fall. the plane feels like a crate. gentle on the yoke.

    Execute a few Touch and Go.
    Configure to land but the object is only to touch down and run the wheels on the tarmac, no brakes, reconfigure for Take Off, (reduce Flaps to 10%) midle of runway Full throtle, and take off, on real life you turn left inside the ATZ and execute a circuit, reconfigure for landing, long final, just a bit of Flare above the runway touch down and repeat.

    this is a procedure that happens to real life cadets at the 4th flying hour of training in the Portuguese Airforce.

    have fun.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I recomend the manouver that Waldo.Pepper has described, it is used in real aviation when flying new equipment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I can take no credit as I freely lifted it from the writing of Robert Hanson (Carrier Pilot) and Eric Brown. (many books!)
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  9. #9
    but it is indeed a very good manouver to practice a landing on new equipment. And a good pilot is the one who LEARNS from the experience from others instead of making a hole in the ground and disturbing the cows grazing.

    On a side note, i might had that when brakes are aplied in a conventional geared plane, you press them VERY gently at the begining. Or you may get a very good look at the Tarmac. only when you lost almost all speed do you use full breakes. otherwise YOU Pitch.


    The Touch and Go is an exercice to give the pilot a gradual feel for the runway.
    EVERY new "pilot" trys to "dive" into the tarmac. that is why you break the gear. on a Touch and Go first you "glide" on the runway barely touching it, and in a few more times around you start to run your gear properly on the runway.
    At that point you configure for a Landing.
    And you will get it right.
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  10. #10
    Consider getting into Joint Ops Basic Flight School
    It's free and they have a great bunch of guys there as instructors. They specialize in taking even a raw noob and turning them into a decent pilot. Some of the nicest guys I've ever met. My classmates were great folks. We had a member totally lost during the navigation class and we all stayed with him until he made it home.

    Highly Recommended. It made a definite improvement in my flying skills.
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