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    So I played on a full realism server the other day. Everything seems to be going fine as I take off without incident. I decide to press "M" and check my map to see where I am heading and..wtf! My plane icon is missing from the map! I asked a few people in the server how am I supposed to navigate and they said use the compass and the map. Ummmm I couldnt find any resemblance of a compass in my plane (B329 I think, it was a 1939 axis plane) and even if I DO find a compass how can I tell wha grid I am in. The server briefing gave instructions to destroy/protect targest at different grids so after not getting a decent explanation of how to do this I got frustrated and left.

    Someone please help me out or point me in the correct direction. Thanks!
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    So I played on a full realism server the other day. Everything seems to be going fine as I take off without incident. I decide to press "M" and check my map to see where I am heading and..wtf! My plane icon is missing from the map! I asked a few people in the server how am I supposed to navigate and they said use the compass and the map. Ummmm I couldnt find any resemblance of a compass in my plane (B329 I think, it was a 1939 axis plane) and even if I DO find a compass how can I tell wha grid I am in. The server briefing gave instructions to destroy/protect targest at different grids so after not getting a decent explanation of how to do this I got frustrated and left.

    Someone please help me out or point me in the correct direction. Thanks!
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    I had the same problem in Operation Flashpoint and in this game. The fact is that I'm still not too great at navigating in this game.

    In order to find out where you are, first you need your compass. What I do is I only fly a single plane, and I know where its compass is. It's too difficult to try to fly many planes at once and keep track of their instruments and handling characteristics. Real pilots didn't do this as a general rule.

    Now, when you know what direction you are facing, you can begin to look around you and observe the shapes of forests and lakes and such. It's almost like a puzzle, only less annoying. You try to see which items on the map look like that forest. For example, I found myself quite lost after a long fight the other day. I looked down and saw a conveniently odd clearing at the edge of a forest. I looked at my map (I knew I wasn't too far away from a certain airfield) and found a forest on the map with the same markings.

    Of course, it won't always be that easy. But then, it wasn't in real life, either. I think we can all be glad that our liberty and our lives are not hostage to our navigation skills, as often was the case in the real war. Getting lost could be quite as disastrous as getting shot down.
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    First you *must* be very familiar to your cockpit in order to read most important stuff, *fuel level*, heading, *speed* etc.

    But if you want to see your heading it is those red numbers on the left low corner in your screen. Even with "Realistic" mode on these will stay. And give you your correct heading.

    To familiarize yourself with cockpit of your favourite airplane visit this link.

    Other tip, you must rely on your map knowledge *a lot*. That means if the map is larger therefore is harder (usually) to fly on full real, you can get lost easier. Pay close attn to landmarks and stuff and fly in group with other fighters/bombers.(airfields cities etc. - that's the best way to not get lost ).
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    You can fly without the red numbers. Personally, I don't see anything unrealistic about them, as in real life you can read your gauges much easier than in the game. Think about looking at your car's airspeed indi... er, speedometer. It's easy.

    Unfortunately, Oleg has handicapped us Americans and everyone else who uses imperial units or flies real or virtual airplanes that do, as the red numbers are in metric only. Therefore, I fly with them off. I am lucky; my airplane of choice has a fairly large and conveniently placed airspeed indicator. I do have to zoom in to see my compass, though.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oleg has handicapped us Americans and everyone else who uses imperial units or flies real or virtual airplanes that do, as the red numbers are in metric only </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Nice little rumour you have there. Wrong though - read the manual and then set a key to toggle through the speedbar settings....you'll find Kph, KIAS and Mph are available
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    Bronzefist,

    The handiest thing about navigation in IL2/PF is that, even if map icons, map path and speed bar are off, your plane DOES still show up as an icon on the map.

    But, unlike playing with map icons on, the map doesn't automatically centre on your plane icon when you hit the map key. So you have to keep track of your position and drag the map to show your plane.

    Seeing as though it's not THAT easy to fly by landmarks in a virtual (and therefore, slightly repetitive) environment, this is a necessary feature.

    It IS possible to navigate entirely without the map, but only if you keep track of yourself at all times. Get lost, and you'll have a hard time finding yourself again :-P

    There are another couple of handy features if you're playing offline or co-op missions, too. Radio your home base (Tab, 8), then you get an option of 'vector to home' or 'vector to target' which allows you to follow a vector in the general direction of your choice. Do this quite a few times, though, because as you get closer the vector will change.

    The reason the compass vector is always at the bottom left of the screen, even with Speedbar set to off is because quite a few of the planes have their compasses in the middle of the gauge plate - directly behind the stick or yoke. So to read your heading, you have to push the stick to the side, initiating a roll!

    We don't have quite the three dimensional freedom a real hurricane pilot would, for example. He could peer over his stick
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
    read the manual and then set a key to toggle through the speedbar settings....you'll find Kph, KIAS and Mph are available </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Marry me!

    Say, I must apologize to Oleg for that remark. By the way, Junkoifurita, I am able to have no red text at all, not even the compass. I turned off speed bar in the realism options.
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    "The handiest thing about navigation in IL2/PF is that, even if map icons, map path and speed bar are off, your plane DOES still show up as an icon on the map."

    No it doesn't.

    Navigating is difficult, due to the fact you can't resize your on screen map, and depending on what zoom level on the map even if you take off and know where you are it doesn't take much to lose your visual position on the map, which in turn means you moving your map all over trying to find those identifing landmarks you see below. This is time you should be watching around you, a resizeable map window would be nice I have solved this problem by printing off hard copies of all the maps in game, I then place them in clear plastic "sheet protectors" (which you can get at office supply stores) in these protective sheets you can than plot out courses using dry erase markers or "china" markers. When finished you just wipe them clean and they are ready to use again
    As for the aircraft compass I have noticed in many aircraft the compass doesn't work worth the ****, so I depend mainly on the speedbar, look at the heading on the speedbar then look at the compass and you'll notice both are not the same.
    In the 38 the compass rotates extremly slow and by the time its heading matches that to your speedbar your past the point you need to change direction, so I would recommend using the speedbar and never mind that one on your instrument panel.
    Also don't forget that weather plays a important part, if you are flying with a cross wind (which is the only type wind you can have, this needs to be fixed ) even though your flying a 270* heading, your not flying straight but drifting.
    So it is important that you are always looking at landmarks in relation to the map, takes practice and is difficult but that is how it is done.
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    The P-38 has two compasses. If you pull back the yoke hard, you can see something written behind it about turning off radio and something else to make the magnetic compass work. I'm guessing that it's a backup. In the game it doesn't work, because your main compass can't fail.

    By the way, that's a simply smashing idea about the printing and dry erase markers.
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