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Originally posted by optiontrader:
I did not buy any of the SH games before 4 since they were Axis subs hunting Allied ships. I was glad to see that SH4 puts the player in an Allied sub hunting Axis.
How do the developers make their decision about which subs will be hunting which ships?
I suppose that part of their decision is based on what they think will sell. In that case it will be the U-Boats for SHV as has already been announced.
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I’ve said it before in other threads, …..And I guess I’ll repeat it again here:
IT’S A GAME!!!, …….Nothing more – nothing less! ......And anyone who really believes that they have to “Buy Into” the 70 year old politics, philosophies, and practices of one side or the other in order to play a submarine simulation is putting FAR too much into it.
Playing a simulation from the point of view of the Axis will no more make you an “Anti-Semitic Baby Killer” than playing “for the Allies” will make you a “Blessed Savior of Civilization”!
(…Does playing “Black” in a chess game make you a “Bad Guy”????)
The games in question are simply good simulations: …..Enjoy them for what they are, and forget about the politics!!
klcarroll
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If you live outside Germany and aren't speaking German, the "politics of 70 years ago" matter quite a lot. For if the good guys didn't win you would most certainly be speaking German or Japanese.
In a historical sense that may be true: (Although I'm not sure why you exclude the German people from your generalization.) .....But NOTHING you do in 2009 while playing a $29.00 computer game is going to alter those events one iota!
IT'S ONLY A GAME! .....As I asked before: "Does playing "Black" in a Chess game make you a "Bad Guy"???" (Think about that question for a while: ....As it addresses the core of the issue!)
If you are attaching moral values to which side you play in a computer game, .....then you are reading FAR too much into it! It's time to turn off the computer and go fishing!
klcarroll
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You should be ashamed of your school system, speaking German or Japanese? Hitlers invasion of Russia meant he could never win.Originally posted by optiontrader:
If you live outside Germany and aren't speaking German, the "politics of 70 years ago" matter quite a lot. For if the good guys didn't win you would most certainly be speaking German or Japanese.
With Klcarroll on this, being British i actually prefer to be the U-boats sinking allied ships than being the US fleet boats from SH 1 & 4. Mostly down to the fact that it's all familiar to me.
I have no hangups about destroying allied ships in a game, and i'm not a bad person.........
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Quite true!Hitlers invasion of Russia meant he could never win.
.....And, of course, the reality of the U.S. position was that we were quite safe from an actual invasion of the Continental U.S.
With their inability to dominate the oceans in the way that Britain did from 1700 to 1900, the Axis simply could not have transported the necessary troops and war materials to U.S. soil. (Even if they had them to spare; ….Which they didn’t!!)
All they could really do was exactly what they did! ....."Chew" on remote U.S. assets, and try to interdict our shipping going to our Allies.
The only thing that would have altered that picture would have been Nuclear Weapons: ...and their own screwed-up internal policies put them in second place in THAT race!
klcarroll
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It's been my thought for some time that generally speaking, preference of theater (or allies and axis as it pertains to sub sims, as axis usually defaults to uboats, and allies typically defaults to fleet boats) has a lot to do with proximity to ones location, relevance to ones home country history, and books, novels, or movies one may have read or viewed.
Anything dealing with the pacific war must be a hard sell in Europe and the UK. It's half a world away, and historically speaking, nobody's had any signficant involvement or no involvement at all. So interest in the PTO must be next to nill.
Besides that, the PTO has something in common with the Korean War, it is, for the most part, "The forgotten war". The European theater recieves most of the attention from documentaries, to book writers, to hollywood film makers. Small wonder the PTO generates little interest from game makers. It's something of a pity considering some of the things that occured in the PTO dwarf occurances in Europe such as much "publicized" D day landings.
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I am not going to get into Politics with you here because this is not the time or the place. I am English but I will also respect the fact that a lot of 'other good guys' actually didn't win because they were on the Axis side.Originally posted by optiontrader:
If you live outside Germany and aren't speaking German, the "politics of 70 years ago" matter quite a lot. For if the good guys didn't win you would most certainly be speaking German or Japanese.
Please Do NOT bundle everyone into one group and mix them up with some 'very crazy people'.
Have you ever watched the film 'Memphisbelle'...the closing captions pay tribute to ALL the airman of whatever side they fought for...they were ALL brave souls.
Silenthunter is a game, treat it as such!!!!!
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This point is only relevant if Ubisoft solely market the SH game series to Europe. Otherwise..... you forgot about the other 5,500,000,000 potential customers?Originally posted by Ducimus_Rapax:
Anything dealing with the pacific war must be a hard sell in Europe and the UK. It's half a world away, and historically speaking, nobody's had any signficant involvement or no involvement at all. So interest in the PTO must be next to nill
