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    Found this: http://www.planet.fi/~mohman/axisaces.html

    Looks pretty reliable so I thought I'd post it here. Found this on Erich Hartmann

    Link 1: http://www.acepilots.com/misc_hartmann.html

    Link 2: http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/hartm/hartm1.htm

    (Kills on the left, name on the right)

    Germany
    352 Erich Hartmann
    301 Gerhard Barkhorn
    275 Guenther Rall
    267 Otto Kittel
    258 Walter Nowotny
    237 Wilhelm Batz
    222 (12) Erich Rudorffer
    220 (16) Heinrich Bar
    211 (212?) Hermann Graf
    209 (204?) Heinrich Ehler
    208 Theodore Weissenburger
    206 Hans Philip
    206 Walter Schuck
    204 Anton Hafner
    203 Helmut Lipfert
    197 Walter Krupinski
    190 Anton Hackl
    189 Joachim Brendel
    189 Max Stotz
    188 Joachim Kirschner
    180 Kurt Hans Friedrich Brandle
    178 Gunther Josten
    176 Johannes Steinhoff
    174 Ernst Wilhelm Reinert
    174 Gunther Schack
    173 Emil Lang
    173 Heinz Schmidt
    166 Horst Adameit
    162 Wolf-Dietrich Wilke
    158 Han-Joachim Marseille
    158 Heinrich Sturm
    157 Gerhard Thyben
    152 Hans Beiswenger
    152 Peter Duettmann
    150 Gordon Gollob
    146 Fritz Tegtmeier
    144 Albin Wolf
    143 Kurt Tanzer
    140 Freidrich-Karl Mueller
    138 Heinrich Setz
    138 Karl Gratz
    138 Rudolf Trenkel
    137 Franz Schall
    137 Walter Wolfrum
    136 Adolf Dickfeld
    136 Heinz-Karl Weber
    136 Horst-Gunther v. Fassong
    136 Otto Foennekold
    135 Joachim Muencheberg
    134 Hans Waldmann
    133 Alfred Grislawski
    133 Johannes Weise
    132 Adolf Borchers
    132 Erwin Clausen
    131 Wilhelm Lemke
    130 Heinrich Sterr
    130 Herbert Ihlefeld
    129 Franz Eisenach
    128 Franz Doerr
    128 Walther Dahl
    126 Josef Zwernemann
    126 Rudolf Rademacher
    125 Dietrich Hrabak
    125 Gerhard Hoffman
    125 Walter Oesau
    124 Wolf-Udo Ettel
    122 Wolfgang Tone
    121 Heinz Marquardt
    121 Heinz Schnaufer
    121 Robert Weiss
    120 Fredrich Obleser
    118 Erich Leie
    117 Franz Josef Beerenbrock
    117 Hans-Joachim Birkner
    117 Jacob Norz
    117 Heinz Wernicke
    116 August Lambert
    115 Werner Moelders
    114 Wilhelm Crinius
    114 Werner Schroer
    113 Berthold Korts
    113 Hans Dammers
    112 Kurt Buhlingen
    110 Franz Woidich
    110 Helmut Lent
    110 Kurt Ubben
    109 (106?) Viktor Bauer
    109 Reinhard Seiler
    108 Emil Bitsch
    108 Hans 'Assi' Hahn
    108 Gunther Lutzow
    108 Bernard Vechtel
    106 Werner Lucas
    104 Adolf Galland
    104 Heinz Sachsenberg
    103 Hartmann Grasser
    102 Siegfried Freytag
    102 Friedrich Geisshardt
    102 Egon Mayer
    102 Max-Hellmuth Ostermann
    102 Herbert Rollwage
    102 Josef Wurmheller
    101 Rudolf Miethig
    101 Josef 'Pips' Priller
    101 Ulrich Wernitz


    Finland
    94.2 Eino Ilmari "Illu" Juutilainen
    78 (75?) Hans "Hasse" Wind
    56 (54?) Eino "Eikka" Luukkanen
    44.5 (44?) Urho "Pikku-Jatti" Lehtovaara
    44 (43?) Oiva "Oippa" Tuominen
    43 (Risto) Olli Puhakka
    36 (35?) Olavi "Olli" Puro
    36 (35.5 Nils "Nipa" Katajainen
    32.33 Lauri Nissinen
    32.33 (29.5?) Kyosti "Kossi" Karhila
    31.1 Jorma "Joppe" Karhunen
    29.5 (28.5?) Emil "Emppu" Vesa
    28.5 (28) Turo "Tappi" Jarvi
    26 Klaus "Santtu" Alakoski
    23.33 (Altto) Kalevi "Kale" Tervo
    23 Jorma "Jotte" Saarinen
    22.5 Eero "Lekkeri" Kinnunen
    21.5 Antti Tani
    21 Urho "Pampsa" Myllyla
    19.5 Vaino Suhonen
    19.5 Viktor "Vikki" Pyotsia
    19 Erik Teromaa
    18.5 Lauri Pekuri
    17.5 Jouko "Jussi" Huotari
    17.1 Yrjo "Pappa" Turkka
    16.8 Jorma Sarvanto
    16.5 Aulis Lumme
    16.5 Eero Riihikallio
    16.5 Eero Halonen
    15 (Martti) Aslak Alho
    14.5 Aaro Nuorala
    13.5 Heimo Lampi
    13.33 Pekka Kokko
    12.8 Yrjo Pallasvuo
    12.8 Per Erik "Pelle" Sovelius
    12.7 Lasse Aaltonen
    12.5 Urho "Urkki" Sarjamo
    12.5 Onni Paronen
    12.33 Eino Koskinen
    12 Ahti Laitinen
    12 Leo Ahokas
    11.33 Iikka Torronen
    11 Urho Nieminen
    11 Hemmo Leino
    10.8 Niilo Erkinheimo
    10.5 Martti "Masa" Kalima
    10.5 Kai "Kaius" Metsola
    10.5 Eino Peltola
    10.33 Kullervo "Kuije" Lahtela
    10 Veikko Karu
    10 Mikko Pasila

    Hungary
    34 Deszo Szentgyorgyi
    26 Gyogy Debrody
    25 Laszlo Molnar
    24 Lajos Toth
    19 Mikos Kenyeres
    13 Istvan Fabian
    12 Ferenc Malnasy
    10 Jozsef Malik
    8 Heppes

    Romania
    60 Constantin "Bazu" Cantacuzino
    50 Alexandru Serbanescu
    40 Florian Budu
    19 Lt.Ioan Di Cesare
    18 Ion Milu

    Italy
    26 Adriano Visconti
    26 Franco Lucchini
    22 Leonardo Ferruli
    22 Teresio Martinoli
    19 Franco Bordoni-Bisleri
    19 Luigi Gorrini
    17 Mario Vientini
    15 Duilio Fanali
    15 Mario Bonzano
    12 Adriano Mantelli
    12 Luigi Gianella
    11 Angelo Mastrogostino
    11 Mario Bellagambi
    11 Ugo Drago
    11 Vasco Magrini

    Japan
    113 (87-174?) Hiroyoshi Nishizawa
    80 (80-182?) Tetsuzo Iwamoto
    70 Shoichi Sugita
    64 (32-64?) Saburo Sakai
    60 (27?) Junichi Sasai
    58 Hinomichi Shinohara
    54-98 Takeo Okumura
    51-96 Satoshi Anobuki
    50 (27?) Sadaaki Akamatsu
    38-75 Isamu Sasaki
    38-76 Mitsuyohi Tarui
    34-68 Toshio Ota
    34 Moritsugu Kanai
    32-64 Kazuo Sugino
    30-60 Yasuhiko Kuroe
    29 Shizuo Ishi
    28 Kaneyoshi Muto
    27 Goichi Sumino
    27 Kenji Shimada
    26 Isamu Hosono
    26 Shogo Saito
    25 Naoshi Kano
    25 Tomio Hanada
    24 Nobuo Ogiya
    20 Shigeo Sugio
    8 Teruhiko Kobayashi

    Bulgaria
    14 Stoyan Stoyanov
    8 Toplodowski

    Croatia
    36 Cvitan Galic
    34 Mato Bubovak
    33 Jan Gerthofer
    28 Isidor Kovaric
    26 Jan Reznak
    18 Dragutin Ivanic
    18 Mato Culinovic
    16 Benetictic
    16 Jergowitsch
    13 Fanjo Dzal
    13 Boskic
    12 Stipic
    10 Tomislav Kauzlavic
    10 Veva Micovic
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    Good post.

    Check out this link:

    http://www.luftwaffe.cz/experten.html

    More detail for Luftwaffe experten such as Abschusse dates and types where available.

    S~
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    cawimmer..small corrections...Croatian ace Mato Bubovak is actually Mato Dukovac (44 kills not 34 as Cvitan Galic has 38 not 36))..Benetictic is actually Ljudevit Benetic..Stipic is actually Zlatko Stipcic...Fanjo Dzal is actually Franjo Dzal...Kauzlavic is Kauzlaric...Boskic is Stjepan Boskic...you forgot to put Josip Hellebrant (12 kills) and some other croatian aces..


    cheers

    here is the link for the full roster:
    http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACE...oatia-ww2.html
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    TX-Gunslinger, Thanks for that link.

    I found it amazing ( of the pilot's kill stats that reported altitudes ) how many fighters were taken out at relativley low altitudes.

    W
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    Good links guys. Also some of these guys didn't scored/flew only during their service in axis armies, they had some time/kills in allied forces as well. It would be interested to see some numbers about their axis/allied kills as well. I can not specify here but I have read about it...
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    If you are interested in Axis pilots, get a real book like "A Pair of Aces: Graf and Grislawski" by Christer Bergstrom. Bergstrom gets into the details of their pilot careers and tries to match up the claims with loss records. One of the "pair" had a bit of a rep for "claim inflation", but both were clearly expert pilots who achieved incredible results. Those internet lists of kills are, sadly, not very meaningful other than to indicate that the pilot was experienced and survived a lot of missions. As a rule of thumb, if the action happened over friendly territory, subtract 25% from the total. If it happened over enemy territory, subtract 50% from the total. The more chaotic the action, the higher the rate of overclaiming, you just can't verify a kill when your head is on a swivel trying to stay alive. This applies to aces of all nations. Also, certain desperate situations seemed to exaggerate overclaiming. The overclaiming by the LW seems to have shot way up the last 6 months of the war. In the same way, the VVS seemed to have a lot of claims in '41 that are hard to verify in loss records.
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    Great links guys thanks!

    Am I right in thinking that the German way of calculating kills is different from the Allies?

    How else is there to explain UK/US pilots only scoring around 20 as the max whereas the germans have 100+ in many cases? I remeber something about a German 'Victory' being different but am not sure how its oconnected, can you guys enlighten me?
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    Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
    Great links guys thanks!

    Am I right in thinking that the German way of calculating kills is different from the Allies?

    How else is there to explain UK/US pilots only scoring around 20 as the max whereas the germans have 100+ in many cases? I remeber something about a German 'Victory' being different but am not sure how its oconnected, can you guys enlighten me?

    No different way of calculating.

    Allied pilots often flew a tour and then were sent back to train other pilots or some other duty. German pilots had no such luxury since they were losing. If you compare the kills per sortie for top scorers of all nations you will see similar rates of success. Some examples:

    Erich Hartman 1404 missions 352 kills 1 kill per 3.98 missions

    Robert Johnson 92 missions 27 kills 1 kill per 3.4 missions

    Ivan Kozhedub 326 missions 62 kills. 1 kill per 5.2 missions

    The Germans also had a target rich environment whereas the Allies saw fewer German aircraft as the war went into its later stages.
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    Originally posted by Tvrdi:
    cawimmer..small corrections...Croatian ace Mato Bubovak is actually Mato Dukovac (44 kills not 34 as Cvitan Galic has 38 not 36))..Benetictic is actually Ljudevit Benetic..Stipic is actually Zlatko Stipcic...Fanjo Dzal is actually Franjo Dzal...Kauzlavic is Kauzlaric...Boskic is Stjepan Boskic...you forgot to put Josip Hellebrant (12 kills) and some other croatian aces..


    cheers

    here is the link for the full roster:
    http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACE...oatia-ww2.html
    Thanks for that. I just copied and pasted from that link in case people didn't want to click on it.
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