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    Numerical superiority was achieved AFTER
    there were few skilled German pilots.

    Truth is the number of P-51s in Europe before D-day
    were small and they were out numbered.

    Yet they still managed to give the Luftwaffe a bad time.

    The overwhelming numbers thing is a cheap Luftcrutch.

    The overwhelming numbers did in fact happen in late 1944.

    But history already documents the fact that Allied fighters
    were better by early 1944 and in superior numbers by late 1944.
    All the luftwhining can't change the facts.

    Sergio
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    Originally posted by Sergio_101:

    But history already documents the fact that Allied fighters
    were better by early 1944 and in superior numbers by late 1944.
    All the luftwhining can't change the facts.

    Sergio
    Who doubt that the P51 was better than a clean G6 in spring/summer 44?
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    Originally posted by Abbuzze:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sergio_101:

    But history already documents the fact that Allied fighters
    were better by early 1944 and in superior numbers by late 1944.
    All the luftwhining can't change the facts.

    Sergio
    Who doubt that the P51 was better than a clean G6 in spring/summer 44? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


    Both pros and cons are getting real old. Unless we can turn back time and find out how P-51 would have managed german fighters that WASNT preoccupied with blasting BOMBERS out of the sky we will never truly know if P-51 is/was indeed the best fighter ever.

    German fighters PRIME objective was shooting down bombers, not chasing fighters. If that was the case, maby the story would have been completly differant.

    Maby we could leave the "Icon of the free world" approach out of the debate for once.

    It did its job...but so did a s**t load of other ac to.
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    Originally posted by Sergio_101:
    Numerical superiority was achieved AFTER
    there were few skilled German pilots.

    What?

    Truth is the number of P-51s in Europe before D-day
    were small and they were out numbered.

    100% agree.Small numbers outnumbered by P38/P47 in service.

    Yet they still managed to give the Luftwaffe a bad time.

    Indisputable over 8000m.

    The overwhelming numbers thing is a cheap Luftcrutch.

    The Mustang won teh war thing is just cheapt Tom Cruise fanboism.

    The overwhelming numbers did in fact happen in late 1944.

    100% agree provided a figure of one("1") is substracted from the last figure of presented date number.

    But history already documents the fact that Allied fighters
    were better by early 1944 and in superior numbers by late 1944.
    5:1 = better

    All the luftwhining can't change the facts.

    Oh well,at least we can make the History Channel folks change their mind.
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    The Dora is 10 km/h faster, increasing with altitude.
    They have the same Power to Weight ratio.
    The Dora has better powerloading, whilst the P-51 has slightly lower wingloading.

    The dora has better climb,better armament, better gauges, better controlls and looks waaaayyyyy more sexy.
    Case closed.

    @ carguy
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    Originally posted by HuninMunin:
    The Dora is 10 km/h faster, increasing with altitude.
    They have the same Power to Weight ratio.
    The Dora has better powerloading, whilst the P-51 has slightly lower wingloading.

    The dora has better climb,better armament, better gauges, better controlls and looks waaaayyyyy more sexy.
    Case closed.

    @ carguy

    hmm the dora does have the performance edge in sim.

    irl the mustangs best attributes where long range, and not being pants.
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    Mustangs had US body and British heart. If they were women they would be fatty and disdainful. Was I a LW plane I wouldn't like to 'dance' with them, either.
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    already at page two?

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    Originally posted by Jaws2002:


    already at page two?


    I'm dissapointed I expected page 4 atleast
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    Originally posted by Sergio_101:
    Numerical superiority was achieved AFTER
    there were few skilled German pilots.

    Truth is the number of P-51s in Europe before D-day
    were small and they were out numbered.

    Yet they still managed to give the Luftwaffe a bad time.

    The overwhelming numbers thing is a cheap Luftcrutch.

    The overwhelming numbers did in fact happen in late 1944.

    But history already documents the fact that Allied fighters
    were better by early 1944 and in superior numbers by late 1944.
    All the luftwhining can't change the facts.

    Sergio


    Numbers for 8th airforce P-51/Total fighters dispatched:

    Jan 22, 1944 - 40/632
    Feb 20 1944 - 68/679
    March 18, 1944 - 214/925
    April 22, 1944 - 249/859
    May 24, 1944 - 304/824
    June 29, 1944 231/638
    July 31 1944 508/701
    Aug 27, 1944 500/871
    Sept 28 1944 502/724
    Oct 26, 1944 600/674
    Nov 21, 1944 800/954
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