Numerical superiority was achieved AFTER
there were few skilled German pilots.
Truth is the number of P-51s in Europe before D-day
were small and they were out numbered.
Yet they still managed to give the Luftwaffe a bad time.
The overwhelming numbers thing is a cheap Luftcrutch.
The overwhelming numbers did in fact happen in late 1944.
But history already documents the fact that Allied fighters
were better by early 1944 and in superior numbers by late 1944.
All the luftwhining can't change the facts.
Sergio
Who doubt that the P51 was better than a clean G6 in spring/summer 44? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Abbuzze:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sergio_101:
But history already documents the fact that Allied fighters
were better by early 1944 and in superior numbers by late 1944.
All the luftwhining can't change the facts.
Sergio
Both pros and cons are getting real old. Unless we can turn back time and find out how P-51 would have managed german fighters that WASNT preoccupied with blasting BOMBERS out of the sky we will never truly know if P-51 is/was indeed the best fighter ever.
German fighters PRIME objective was shooting down bombers, not chasing fighters. If that was the case, maby the story would have been completly differant.
Maby we could leave the "Icon of the free world" approach out of the debate for once.
It did its job...but so did a s**t load of other ac to.
Originally posted by Sergio_101:
Numerical superiority was achieved AFTER
there were few skilled German pilots.
What?
Truth is the number of P-51s in Europe before D-day
were small and they were out numbered.
100% agree.Small numbers outnumbered by P38/P47 in service.
Yet they still managed to give the Luftwaffe a bad time.
Indisputable over 8000m.
The overwhelming numbers thing is a cheap Luftcrutch.
The Mustang won teh war thing is just cheapt Tom Cruise fanboism.
The overwhelming numbers did in fact happen in late 1944.
100% agree provided a figure of one("1") is substracted from the last figure of presented date number.
5:1 = betterBut history already documents the fact that Allied fighters
were better by early 1944 and in superior numbers by late 1944.![]()
All the luftwhining can't change the facts.
Oh well,at least we can make the History Channel folks change their mind.
The Dora is 10 km/h faster, increasing with altitude.
They have the same Power to Weight ratio.
The Dora has better powerloading, whilst the P-51 has slightly lower wingloading.
The dora has better climb,better armament, better gauges, better controlls and looks waaaayyyyy more sexy.
Case closed.
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hmm the dora does have the performance edge in sim.Originally posted by HuninMunin:
The Dora is 10 km/h faster, increasing with altitude.
They have the same Power to Weight ratio.
The Dora has better powerloading, whilst the P-51 has slightly lower wingloading.
The dora has better climb,better armament, better gauges, better controlls and looks waaaayyyyy more sexy.
Case closed.
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irl the mustangs best attributes where long range, and not being pants.
Originally posted by Sergio_101:
Numerical superiority was achieved AFTER
there were few skilled German pilots.
Truth is the number of P-51s in Europe before D-day
were small and they were out numbered.
Yet they still managed to give the Luftwaffe a bad time.
The overwhelming numbers thing is a cheap Luftcrutch.
The overwhelming numbers did in fact happen in late 1944.
But history already documents the fact that Allied fighters
were better by early 1944 and in superior numbers by late 1944.
All the luftwhining can't change the facts.
Sergio
Numbers for 8th airforce P-51/Total fighters dispatched:
Jan 22, 1944 - 40/632
Feb 20 1944 - 68/679
March 18, 1944 - 214/925
April 22, 1944 - 249/859
May 24, 1944 - 304/824
June 29, 1944 231/638
July 31 1944 508/701
Aug 27, 1944 500/871
Sept 28 1944 502/724
Oct 26, 1944 600/674
Nov 21, 1944 800/954