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    Its quite rare that I get to fly the Me-262 online these days, given how few servers actually have them.
    The other day, though, I chanced upon one of the few online dogfight maps that has Me262 vs. La's and Yak's.
    Frankly, that plane left me with the most uneasy feeling after the dogfights (got 2 down).
    I think its vastly over-rated in the anti-props role.
    Dogfights followed one and the same pattern; I fly at 95% throttle at 2500m, at 650-700 km/h, then spot some props bellow or level - they dive (or not - if not I outclimb them), at which point I begin BnZing them with shallow climbs and dives (to maintain lowish, by me-262 standars, speed).
    Sounds good in theory, but what actually was going on is
    "I see a speck below, I go for the speck, speed reaches 750-850 km/h, if I pull on the stick even half-way I black out, if I reduce throttle I cant accelerate back to any dogfight speed, I just keep on going for the speck, then it turns into a violently maneuvering plane for about 1 microsecond and then turns back into a speck behind me, spewing pointless tracer, I climb to height at 650 km/h."

    It just feels as if Im flying a normal prop, except that the oposition are 50cm big, and my alt meter is reading things that should be about three times less.
    Its like the world has shrunk three times than its normal size.

    Well, it may work great against bombers, but I really dont see how anyone can claim that the Me262 is any threat for props.
    It sure can be annoying, but thats about it..
    It would be, if if it had good acceleration or speed breaks, or a throtle that you could actually move in a dogfight - but it doesnt.

    And if it is flown differently - then its actually a very poor performer.
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    PBNA-Boosher's Avatar Senior Member
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    It's a large threat against prop fighters, provided you use it correctly. Get up to altitude, make large, wide turns and don't let your speed drop below 500 kph unless you're way above your competition. Your 4 MK108 should do a cleanup job in one pass. Any tactics in the Me-262 that involve immelmans, energy burning, any form of Scissors (split-essing's okay) should be classified as "illegal." Speed is the thing that makes the Me-262 deadly. Never EVER lose it. NEVER, or you'll be hunted down like a dog and shot to pieces.
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    Which is the point. At that difference in speeds/closure rates you cant hit squat with mk108s, that has seen you and is taking avoiding action.
    But unlike a fw190, you find yourself too far away (either horizontaly or vertically) after the zoom to actually see where the speck is going or position properly for the next boom.
    And the BnZ cicle takes longer than in a fw190, so the opposition has the time to turn across your dive path - while the me-262 is commited to a dive direction due to its inability to make good flight path corrections at speed (or black the pilot out)
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    This is exatly my point of view on the Me262, you can kill something if it doesen't see you that's it, manouverbility is extremely poor compared to prop planes, a simple turn is enough to avoid it. Maybe in a pair they can be dangerous, I don't know. I met 262's online 5-6 times, I shot down one and was never shot down by one...
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    Originally posted by Brain32:
    This is exatly my point of view on the Me262, you can kill something if it doesen't see you that's it, manouverbility is extremely poor compared to prop planes, a simple turn is enough to avoid it. Maybe in a pair they can be dangerous, I don't know. I met 262's online 5-6 times, I shot down one and was never shot down by one...
    Reminds me of Steinhoff's comments about a combat in the 262 against a group of Soviet fighters. He was frustrated that the enemy fighters continually and easily avoided his attacks.
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    The 262 is a lead sled versus props---for a real brawl go against four Mustangs with two He 162s---it is a sports job and you will have a good time if you don't mess with your throttle.
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    Boosh, don't you think 500 km/h is a bit slow in a 262? Or do you slow down that much in order to be able to shoot more accurately?
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    H I S T O R I C A L L Y!!!

    Yes there is!!!!
    Try to catch em' during T/O and landing
    USAAF is very good at doing this

    But on a 1 on 1 basis...."No chance in Hell"

    ME-262 is the best in the business in the european skies during WWII
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    Originally posted by Top_Gun_1_0_1:
    H I S T O R I C A L L Y!!!

    Yes there is!!!!
    Try to catch em' during T/O and landing
    USAAF is very good at doing this

    But on a 1 on 1 basis...."No chance in Hell"

    ME-262 is the best in the business in the european skies during WWII
    Seems to me like all you ever do is repeat everything you hear on the History Channel.
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    The best tactic is to perch up high (I mean HIGH) in a jug and dive down after one of these kerosene burners as they start their zoom. Inevitibly, they'll be watching the lower/slower birds and flying accordingly. That's when I 'strike-the-match' that is their jet engines.

    This works almost every time...it just takes a bit of patience.



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