View Poll Results: Originally posted in ORR:

Seems there will be very little further development of FB, with BoB on p

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  • No. Do not compromise historical accuracy

    15 41.67%
  • Yes. As long as pits are "related", I welcome the idea; slight inaccuarcy is ok

    16 44.44%
  • Yes. Use for ALL AI types, pros outweigh the cons

    5 13.89%
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    Originally posted in ORR:

    Seems there will be very little further development of FB, with BoB on piority

    Even discounting BoB, many types in FB would never get a cockpit, due to lack of accurate sources

    To get even more out of FB, perhaps it is time to unclench a bit on historical accuracy...there is already examples of not-quite historically accurate things in FB anyhow...

    Two ways to this...both shoudl be relaticly easy, and non-time consuming to do...

    1) Utilize existing cockpits for a given type, and apply them to the AI types of the same family, or series
    ie: J8A pit for the Gladiator mks I and II
    B-25J pit for B-25s C, G and H
    Me 110 G2 pit for 110 C4 and C4 B
    G4M1 pit for G4M2E
    P 40 pit for the various Hawks
    He-111 for He-111 Zwilling
    Il-2 gunner for Il-2 field mod

    2) Maximize use of most AI types by applying the most suitable cockpit, even if totally unrelated by manufacterer, or nationality of given type
    ie: B-25 pit for B-17s, 24s, 29s, Pe-8, MBR, C-47
    G4M1 pit for H8K
    Hurri pits for Moranes
    A 20 pits for Pe/Tu/Su 2s,
    SBD pits for avengers,
    Val pits for Judys
    Zero or Tony pits for Georges
    etc....the list for this utilization could really extend to ALL AI types

    IMO, this would be WELCOME by most, if not all users of the FB line, and such a utilization in a patch for either solution could easily come with a readme disclaimer/explaination as to the types with "false" cockpits, that they are not historically accurate, and is wholly aimed at simply allowing the good consumer to get even more enjoyment from the product, and to expand the possibilites offered this way, for campaigns, pilot careers, coops, dfs, et al

    those who balk at "inaccuracy" could simply choose NOT to use this patch

    If, by chance, Oleg, or any dev member reads this thread, PLEASE post as to the work involved, personal opinions, etc...ANY FEEDBACK TO THIS ISSUE IS MOST WELCOME

    POLL: to use existing cockpits in AI types?
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    danjama's Avatar Senior Member
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    Apr 2005
    I said No, I really dont like the idea at all. Seems stupid to come this far and then throw it all away. Besides, what is the point in having innaccurate alternatives, when you have a perfect first choice? I would never invite this idea. It would seriously piss me off too because id have to install it to play online. Overall, bad idea IMO. I just couldnt fly a B25 cockpit on a PE2 or whatever, u get my drift.
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    waffen-79's Avatar Senior Member
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    May 2005
    I voted YES, but with some variations on the issue.

    I ALWAYS fly with cockpit on, even in WWview DF servers(...I know I get shot down a lot!).

    Flying a C-47, B-17 with a B-25 cockpit just feels wrong.

    I hate to say this but If you want to make the AI planes flyable, make them use WWview only.

    i.e: Sometimes I wish I could fly a C-47 and drop cargo in a field during a Dogfight or fly the Storch in 334th or AFJ server. (u get the idea)

    Of course they will only be available in Cockpit Off Servers.

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    HunglikePony's Avatar Banned
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    Oct 2005
    Is people all crazy stupids in hear? If you not be liking idea of not correct cockpit for some planes, like B-25 for the C-47 as 'game will not feel right' etc excuse, then JUST DONT BE FLYING THOSE PLANES! yourself!
    Make no diffrence to you what pilot in other plane is looking at when he at conrtols if you are is in your favorite fighter plane!
    You be selfish if you think that harm game when in fact changes will not impact on your own fun because you not fly these planes be discussed!
    What you will see as enemy fighter pilot is more variety of planes to shoot down and more accurate represent theater of war, for no effort or effect on your game!
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    good point, waffen, with WW view, there is nothing to see at all, accurate or not

    id personally enjoy flying a slightly inaccurate B-25 G with the 75mm gun to take out JP (or whoever's. for that matter) bunkers, tanks, sink small ships, demolish small buildings in a single go

    and just think of the battle of france possibilities, P 36s and Moranes (and Hurris)taking on Emils and 110Cs

    Fw 200 Condors doing recce and/or naval strikes

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    sparty7200's Avatar Senior Member
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    Feb 2005
    Exactly what are the chances of this happening?
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    I voted yes, the pro's definatly out weigh the cons. Even if you had a generic cockpit for each engine layout it woul; mean that planes that should have been included from the start or even in the expasion packs can be flown on and off line.

    If anyone feels that the quality of the game would be reduced then they should revisit some of the pits that have made it into the game, the pzl and the 153 strike me as particularly blocky and poorly drawn, especially when compared to the J8a.

    Also if anyone wants to complain about the F/M being incomplete for many AI planes, then I ask you this, why then is it ok in campaigns for aircraft with complete F/Ms to fly against aircraft that have incomplete F/Ms surely that in itself is not fair.

    And ofcourse there is always the arguement that if you dont like it dont fly it, no one is suggesting that if this is even cfonsidered that it will install defaults that will detract from current gameplay.

    And who's idead was it that you could have an eastern european sim without any Russiam multi engine types or the Ju88 and the Fw 189, or the aces expansion without a B17 or B24. Or the pitiful P/F plane set, I mean whoever let that get out needs shooting, I'm so glad that I ran it as an expansion pack and it was not my firts 1C purchase.
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