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Instead of bying cheap edition of the Ubisoft game next time, you said, that UBI lost a customer!Originally posted by bubbaganoosh:
I agree. They sure have big balls to pull this off. I bought the LE now they give stuff away for free that was "exclusive". I don't think I'll be giving any more money to UBI from here on. I have been a fan of alot of UBI games but since they made such a mess of SCC and pull this kind of crap they lost a customer.
When Valve made Steam for Mac, they gave Portal to everybody for free! Free! Entire game for FREE!
I bought Portal, but I like the fact that more people (including my friends) could legally play this game for free. Because Portal is very awesome and very interesting brain-twister game!
Because I am not greedy, but you are! Whining here because of free unlockable content. it's just an armour, man!
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My logic is based on principle. To me it's not the right way to do business. How would you feel if you bought a car from a dealer who told you "For an extra $300 you can have a body kit added". You think it's a great deal so you pay the extra. Then a month later your friend buys the same car and the dealer throws the same kit in for free.
The shadow Armour was a selling feature to pre-order the game. They said exclusive to pre-order customers then they give it away. It was only an extra $5 but it is still money for something they now give away for free. By rights they should be giving the pre-order customers their $5 back or something of equal value. They should have said they are going to give these pre-order exclusives away later anyways somewhere other than the fine print somwhere in an obscure part of their website.
You obviously don't get it. You may be happy getting screwed when you deal with businesses or people but I do not. I think you need to understand the word greed before you call me that.
From Wiki for you:
"Greed is an excessive desire to possess wealth or goods."
I already posess said goods so how am I greedy? I have no problem with UBI giving crap away the problem I have is when they tell one group it's exclusive for supporting pre-sales then turn around and give it away. That is unethical to me and I no longer want to deal with a company that operates that way.
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I totally agree with you bubbaganoosh.
Btw in my case it came with the LE and there weren't any pre-order extras (not even the silenced shotgun) but...
...the shadow armor was not an early access extra but exclusive content unlike as in your case as you say GuZZ33. Idk about later released editions and their cost as I bought the Edition with the exclusive armor, EA guns, figure, OST CD, steelcase and infil mode the day it came out in the stores.Originally posted by GuZZ33:
I purchased the SCC "shadow" edition that cost the same price as the standard edition but included early access to "shadow armor" "sc3000" and "spas-12 silenced shotgun".
(Interesting fact for whom (actually Hungarians) it may concern: In Hungary they only released 1000 copies of this Limited edition and all of them were bought buy CD galaxy leaving 576 and the other stores in the well yeah, in that.
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why you complain?...everyone who bought collectors edition or limited edition paid for the stuff that was with the game and for some early access to ingame content...so i will never get the official disc of soundtracks like you or the steelbox or the figurine of Sam etc...But complain that you paid for shadow armor is wrong because this stuff is already in the disc so that means that when i bought the standard edition i paid for this stuff me too...
if it was an armor that was created apart from the content that the game had then you should complain if it was released to all..
PS: spas-12 is already in the disc too so you know that eventually will be released....
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Well, let's talk about PC hardware instead. When nVidia/ATI release new video card they can set very high starting price, because the demand is always very high for new products. And Then they always bring down their price, cause the demand becames lower and lower within 2 or 3 months.Originally posted by bubbaganoosh:
My logic is based on principle. To me it's not the right way to do business. How would you feel if you bought a car from a dealer who told you "For an extra $300 you can have a body kit added". You think it's a great deal so you pay the extra. Then a month later your friend buys the same car and the dealer throws the same kit in for free.
The same situation with mobile phones, with computer games, with lots of stuff. This is how economics should works. It's your choice to hurry up to be the first or to wait for a while, but be the second. As a matter of fact your principle is in direct contradiction to the basic economics law of supply and demand.
Also read here what's happened with prices during life cycle of almost every product.
And by the way, dealer can't throw the same kit in for free. This is cheating, cause kit included in whole purchase price. Actually the whole price of the car is go down. And $300 is special discount for people which buy a car with that kit.
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This was just an example to illustrate my point. Because you are talking on behalf of this fictional dealer I'll give you another example.Originally posted by KenTWOu:
And by the way, dealer can't throw the same kit in for free. This is cheating, cause kit included in whole purchase price. Actually the whole price of the car is go down. And $300 is special discount for people which buy a car with that kit.
You buy a computer at a computer store for $500. The salesman says if you buy it now the manufacturer will add an extra gig of RAM for only $50. He also says that any of these same computers bought after that day will not have the offer. You think it's a good idea so you buy it with the extra RAM.
A month later that exact same computer is selling at the same store for the same price you paid ($500) but it has the extra RAM in it for no charge. Do you think this is right? Do you think that you should get your $50 back since they are giving away the RAM now?
Yes I understand prices drop on things all the time but the manufacturer of the laptop knew, before you bought it, they would give away that RAM in a month. They don't make these decisions over night. Decisions like this are made months ahead of that computer even hitting the shelf.
UBI has done exactly the same thing. They already had a schedule of these freebies way before the game came out. How else would you explain the fact you see them in game but they aren't accesible. UBI knew they would give away the Shadow Armour and Shotgun and whatever else the pre-order people got but yet they charged for this very same content for the pre-orders. They shouldn't have marketed it as exclusive when clearly it isn't.
Yes they may have had somewhere in the EULA or in some small print somewhere they would give it away but that is the same as not telling you in my opinion. If they put it right beside the pre-order "These items will be given away at a later date" how many pre-orders would they have got? I would say maybe 10% of what they had.
I understand supply and demand and all that (believe it or not) but this is plain and simple misrepresentation. Again, it's not the money it's how they did it that I have a problem with.
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[quote]Originally posted by bubbaganoosh:
Originally posted by KenTWOu:
... I understand supply and demand and all that (believe it or not) but this is plain and simple misrepresentation. Again, it's not the money it's how they did it that I have a problem with.
I'm not going to give you an exact example (although I could) but there are lots of softwares you can buy for a certain prise and you get the whole pack and only if you pay a bit more can you unlock the additional or full content.Originally posted by Falzar:
...But complain that you paid for shadow armor is wrong because this stuff is already in the disc so that means that when i bought the standard edition i paid for this stuff me too...
You didn't pay for the DVD but the content written on the back. Any additional free unlocked content is good for the costumer but when the seller doesn't tell the buyers who invest more money in the additional content that what they are giving away extra money for is going to be unlocked for free for everyone in time where is the fairness? This is what my problem is.
I bet as bubbaganoosh said fewer people would've bought the special edition sets if they/we knew this was the case and don't tell me you knew for sure that these extras will be unlocked for free in time cause only the development team could've known it (possibly even before they started making the game).
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God, people really like to complain, and due it was obvious,because if they're going to give free dlc every week they will use everything already made and in the disc because there's no way they'll do something new,this game is done!Everything that will come for free will be stuff that was previously unreleased,and I don't think they breached contract, probably somewhere it must be written that these extras were only early access and not exclusive,I don't think UBI would make that kind of mistake without covering their behind,legally that is.
I have sympathy for you guys who paid more and then realize that everybody was going to get it eventually,but it goes to show you that these days you gotta be more carefull where u put your money,you are all so crazy about special editions,exclusive content,preorders,that then you get ra pe d by these companies and the crying begins...of course i'm on your side guys but the matter of the fact is I waited,didn't pay for crap and I got the same stuff you do,
next time wait...although you have other things you did pay for which I dont own and never will so...
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The advertisement said that the weapons were early-access and that the infiltration mode could be bought with Uplay points. The shadow armour was listed as an exclusive item. However they didnt say it would not be free for all after 6 weeks. On the other hand, that would have been bad advertisement.Originally posted by jakal66:
probably somewhere it must be written that these extras were only early access and not exclusive,I don't think UBI would make that kind of mistake without covering their behind,legally that is.
I'm just waiting for Ubi to pull the plug on all items because this is what it reads in very tiny letters on my so-called "exclusive unlocks" card:
Ubisoft may cancel access to online features upon a 30-day prior notice published at www.splintercell.com.
Thanks to Ubi's DRM the entire product is an online feature.
The irony of it all is that it took Ubisoft 5 weeks to straighten out my unlocks but just one week later the shadow armour is free for all.
Have I lost all respect for Ubisoft from a business standpoint and as a customer? You answer that.
