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    Imagine the devastation firing 4X.50 and the 20mm into that drum. Poor soul who ever was on the receving end of that. Thanks for sharing.
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    yeah 20mm is underpowered fo sure!
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    Thanks for sharing.
    And some people think old ammo's worthless,pffftt.
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    And some people think old ammo's worthless,pffftt
    It is. A modern 20mm round would be guided by a laser, use radar to detonate a set distance from the target, and scatter 200 fin stabilized flechettes that would neatly cut the barrel in half, then self-destruct to avoid any collateral damage to penguins or polar bears, or snow.
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    Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And some people think old ammo's worthless,pffftt
    It is. A modern 20mm round would be guided by a laser, use radar to detonate a set distance from the target, and scatter 200 fin stabilized flechettes that would neatly cut the barrel in half, then self-destruct to avoid any collateral damage to penguins or polar bears, or snow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I nominate you for general of the forums
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    Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And some people think old ammo's worthless,pffftt
    It is. A modern 20mm round would be guided by a laser, use radar to detonate a set distance from the target, and scatter 200 fin stabilized flechettes that would neatly cut the barrel in half, then self-destruct to avoid any collateral damage to penguins or polar bears, or snow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yeah,there's always progress.
    The point was;I've heard many people(IRL-not game related) act like old ammo was faulty.
    The vid proves that false,not only was the ammo 50 yr. old @ the time (crashed '42,recovered '92),but it came from under 268' of glacier.

    Obviously,today's tech is superior-but I'm not going to stand in front of the gun firing the ammo you deem 'worthless'.
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    Originally posted by Esel1964:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And some people think old ammo's worthless,pffftt
    It is. A modern 20mm round would be guided by a laser, use radar to detonate a set distance from the target, and scatter 200 fin stabilized flechettes that would neatly cut the barrel in half, then self-destruct to avoid any collateral damage to penguins or polar bears, or snow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yeah,there's always progress.
    The point was;I've heard many people(IRL-not game related) act like old ammo was faulty.
    The vid proves that false,not only was the ammo 50 yr. old @ the time (crashed '42,recovered '92),but it came from under 268' of glacier.

    Obviously,today's tech is superior-but I'm not going to stand in front of the gun firing the ammo you deem 'worthless'. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Give me a break!
    Obviously the barrel is undermodeled
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    Originally posted by Dew-Claw:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And some people think old ammo's worthless,pffftt
    It is. A modern 20mm round would be guided by a laser, use radar to detonate a set distance from the target, and scatter 200 fin stabilized flechettes that would neatly cut the barrel in half, then self-destruct to avoid any collateral damage to penguins or polar bears, or snow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yeah,there's always progress.
    The point was;I've heard many people(IRL-not game related) act like old ammo was faulty.
    The vid proves that false,not only was the ammo 50 yr. old @ the time (crashed '42,recovered '92),but it came from under 268' of glacier.

    Obviously,today's tech is superior-but I'm not going to stand in front of the gun firing the ammo you deem 'worthless'. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Give me a break!
    Obviously the barrel is undermodeled </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Oleg's fault.
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    Originally posted by Esel1964:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And some people think old ammo's worthless,pffftt
    It is. A modern 20mm round would be guided by a laser, use radar to detonate a set distance from the target, and scatter 200 fin stabilized flechettes that would neatly cut the barrel in half, then self-destruct to avoid any collateral damage to penguins or polar bears, or snow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yeah,there's always progress.
    The point was;I've heard many people(IRL-not game related) act like old ammo was faulty.
    The vid proves that false,not only was the ammo 50 yr. old @ the time (crashed '42,recovered '92),but it came from under 268' of glacier.

    Obviously,today's tech is superior-but I'm not going to stand in front of the gun firing the ammo you deem 'worthless'. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



    Actually, old ammo isn't really reliably safe if you ask me. My Dad picked up an M-1 Garand
    a few months back; he had one in the '60s and he still has his 1903 Springfield .30-06, they

    use the same ammo. They are both beautiful for shooting although the M-1 is better balanced
    in my opinion. But about the ammo- you can't tell if it's good or bad just be looking at it

    He has some ammo from the '40s, sealed, in 'spam cans', you know, you need to open them like the old cans of spam or sardines, with a key? Air-tight, stored in an air-tight ammo box
    since the '60s. We went shooting with both rifles, took that ammo. I beleive we had Denver
    '43 ammo.

    We got several misfires- no hangfires, thank goodness, as you must work the bolt on the '03
    Springfield, which ejects a shell- or in the case of a misfire, the cartridge. Pull the
    trigger, click....count to 60, work the action. I'd prefer not to handle live rounds that
    didn't go off after the primer was struck, personally. In the M-1, you must extricate the
    unfired round, a tricky affair (for me at least). I've still yet to get M-1 Thumb by the
    way, but I'm sure it will happen.

    The primers used at the time for those rifles were harder. The firing pin from the M-1
    actually rests on it is my understanding. Modern softer primers introduce the scary
    possibility of the weapon being discharged without the trigger being pulled. So for say the
    M-1 you need 'military' primers

    Now of course 20mm ammo is perforce 'military' grade ammo, but my point is weapon design
    from the '30s or '40s + modern ammo introduces the possibility that they quite literally
    don't make 'em like they used to- but the weapon may need ammo made like it used to be made, because it may need to use ammo designed a certain way

    Old ammo is dubious in my opinion, the corrosive primers used back than simply may not be any good now. We're talking chemical reactions degrading over time it seems to me. I'd rather use new correct ammo any day of the week
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