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    I dont know who would win the p-51 is a very good plane and so is the 109 so help me out! send screenshots or advice or something!

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    I dont know who would win the p-51 is a very good plane and so is the 109 so help me out! send screenshots or advice or something!

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    Any 109 can be handled in a P-51 if you avoid a slow, close-in dogfight below 18,000'. Above that, you can engage in a turn fight if you start with an advantage. But, why bother? Shoot them as they take off.

    The G-10 is good and the latest K-4 is very good, so watch out for them. Just hit them b4 they see u. If spotted, it's twice as hard.
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    In my opinion, they're both pretty evenly matched; Good firepower, good maneuverability, they can boom & zoom or get into a turning fight (if you're pretty good with the Mustang, that is), and they have great speed. So I guess it would come down to who's the better/luckier pilot.

    Personally, though, I'd take the Messerschmitt, mainly because I have better luck in it than the P-51.
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    It depends on the situation who would win.

    If its a slow turning close in dogfight then the Bf109 will probably win. (and the P51 pilot should kick himself for allowing it to degenerate into that)

    If its a very fast, attack-and-zoom-keeping-at-high speed fight, then the P51 holds all the cards. The 109 cannot turn at fast speeds.

    Try taking a Bf109 over 400k and pulling up, the elevator just doesnt respond. The P51's is great even at high speed.

    If you are in a P51, then stay fast and the Bf109 will have a hard time.

    If you are in a 109 then try and get the P51 to slow down (although if hes a good pilot, you will not be able too). If you can get him to slow down by hard manouvres and getting him to follow, then you should be able to kill him quite easily.

    Remember that a good P51 pilot will not follow you through hard manouvres tho, he will simply zoom away and come back down on you, so its a big gamble to yank hard and lose all your E.
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    You guys just never get it, year after year after year, you never listen and never learn.

    I do not like Chuck Yeager, but he was right when he said that it was not the plane, the guy with the most experience will win every time.

    So there you go again..........
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    I agree with Xiola, but only in situation where P51 already has E advantage.

    If you start equal E, there simply is nothing you can do against experienced 109 flyer - he has nearly same speed (at nearly all altitudes), climbs far better, is slightly more manouverable, and most important, bleeds WAY less E (btw that's the problem of this sim in general when comparing TnB and BnZ planes: they don't bleed E historically: TnBs should bleed more as they do now or BnZ should bleed less).

    In dueling 1v1 equal E P-51 in this sim has no real options versus late 109s. Best tactics on dogfight servers is drag n bag.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ModelNo:
    You guys just never get it, year after year after year, you never listen and never learn.

    I do not like Chuck Yeager, but he was right when he said that it was not the plane, the guy with the most experience will win every time.

    So there you go again.......... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well, he was right when he was talking about RL, not flight sims. No real pilot could amount a tiny fraction of experience most of us here have, simply because of refly option. U die u learn. They died they died.

    In this sim pilot experience counts ONLY if both pilots are newbies/less experienced. When pilots are decent and put one in a HurriMk1 and the other in a Fw190, Fw will win 8/10, and guess what, result will be the same also after you will switch the pilot.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ModelNo:
    You guys just never get it, year after year after year, you never listen and never learn.

    I do not like Chuck Yeager, but he was right when he said that it was not the plane, the guy with the most experience will win every time.

    So there you go again.......... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>ok next time we are both in HL we will fly a few rounds. you take a hellcat and ill take a ki84c may the best man win lol
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
    I agree with Xiola, but only in situation where P51 already has E advantage.

    If you start equal E, there simply is nothing you can do against experienced 109 flyer - he has nearly same speed (at nearly all altitudes), climbs far better, is slightly more manouverable, and most important, bleeds WAY less E (btw that's the problem of this sim in general when comparing TnB and BnZ planes: they don't bleed E historically: TnBs should bleed more as they do now or BnZ should bleed less).

    In dueling 1v1 equal E P-51 in this sim has no real options versus late 109s. Best tactics on dogfight servers is drag n bag. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I know what you mean TT, but if I was in a P51 (in fact any faster plane which cannot turn as well as the opposition) and found myself co-alt with a 109, I would extend back towards my own lines becasue I have the speed to get away. Its simply not worth the risk. The 109 is a better dogfighter, so I wouldnt risk it turning into a dogfight.

    Come back with more height and maybe teammates. I wouldnt say these are exactly defensive tactics, its simply common sense. Dont get into a turnfight, its not the P51's forte.

    If you are at co alt with any plane and have the speed to get away, then you may as well extend and get some height so that you have an advantage. Thats the great advantage of the faster planes, being able to dictate if the fight takes place or not. Why enter a fight at equal odds when you can make sure you are at an advantage?

    The P51 is fast enough most of the time to ensure this. If you dont give the 109 a chance to use its best tactic vs the P51 (low speed turnfighting) then he is very unlikely to get any hits on you.

    Of course if you want to play airquake, score 4-5 kills a sortie and dont care whether you live or die, then the P51 is not for you. If you fly realistically, like your life depended on it, then the P51 is a good fighter.
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