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    Hi,

    Just wanted to hear your experiences with flying the P-47s and the differences between each model, if any.

    I flew this once and was really impressed. When I get a new pc I plan to fly it often and get used to it. Tell me how YOU fly one of the most under-estimated planes in the IL-2 series.

    I know Cajun flies one cause we dualed for about 30 mins online once. No victor, no loser.

    BTW, Cajun is good at evasive manuevers.

    Fritz
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    I prefer the P-47D-27. With the bubble canopy, the view is excellent.

    I find the "Jug" to be at it's best at very high altitude. I am a big believer in BNZ. The 'Bolt outperforms most everything up high.
    I call my style of flying, "Sharking" because I will circle above 20,000 ft and wait for my prey to come into view. Then I use it's best weapon... Diving, to swoop down on an enemy, unleash those 8 beautiful .50's right on top of him and then use the energy I have to extend & escape. Either to get away or return to altitude & do it again. I think 2 jug pilots using good wingman tactics are extrememly difficult to down. Besides, she's built like a brick #@$% house & looks like a centerfold.
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    Get to High Alt, SPEED! Dive w/ throttle back on target, rake target heavily with .50 cal massive ROXORZ bullets, SPEED AWAY UP!
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    Thanks for the kind words, definately one of my more memorable fights for that reason. We met at co-alt, very fast. I did my best to keep your mid-war 109 from getting the advantage by extending and zoom climbing, and by staying fast and attacking when you performed maneuvers that bled your speed.

    The P-47D-10 is the most manueverable of the 3 I've found, but the paddle prop and added power of the -27 makes it my preferred choice. Better climb, acceleration, zoom climb, high speed shallow climb, loadout, visibility all contribute to the -27 being the best of the bunch, imho. 25% fuel will give over an hour of flight time, especially up high, and your WEP will run out before your fuel does, especially at high alt where it dosen't overheat readily at +100% power settings.

    I prefer to engage with at least 500 km/h under my belt. Even after takeoff, I have a fairly even shot of either suprising someone, or bleeding some of their advantage and extending out. At 3000m I have enough space to feel good about engaging or being engaged by just about anyone, even if they have alt on me, as long as I have my speed up.

    At high speed, she's got a natural nose up tendency. So you don't always have to pull the stick to go where you want. Change your vector by rolling, this bleeds less speed and changes your direction in multiple axis, making you harder to hit. Combined with the Forty-Seven's ledgendary ruggedness, you can often survive long enough for friendlies or use up your opponents ammo on empty air and Republic Steel if you find yourself in trouble. Sometimes it can't be avoided.

    People new to the a/c will often complain that it's easy to stall, and it can be. But 25% fuel and some finesse wil go a long way toward helping to relieve that. I also recommend using a more relaxed curve profile, especially on pitch. Something like <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">1 3 5 8 17 26</pre>

    I don't have my curve at the moment, I can post it later.

    The basics are covered, though. Stay fast, then stay high. Situational awareness is critical for getting in and out safely. When diving down (preferred) try to engage the enemy with the most energy, even if someone is slighty higher than them.
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    Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
    Hi,

    Just wanted to hear your experiences with flying the P-47s and the differences between each model, if any.

    I flew this once and was really impressed. When I get a new pc I plan to fly it often and get used to it. Tell me how YOU fly one of the most under-estimated planes in the IL-2 series.

    I know Cajun flies one cause we dualed for about 30 mins online once. No victor, no loser.

    BTW, Cajun is good at evasive manuevers.

    Fritz
    I saw cajun in a MUSTANG!! the other day and (56)Ghost in a SPITFIRE!!!!!!! I thought for a moment I was in the wrong game
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    Shhhhhhhhhh!!
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    The Jug is also my main allied ride and i love the D27, a very stable plane and gun platform
    most people underestimate it and think its sluggish, heavy and slow, but when she gets some alt and speed she comes to live and gets pretty agile, i almost never stall a P47 or get up in a tunrfight unlike i do when in a P51 and end up low and slow thats because the P47 takes decipline, patience and good tactics to fly it succesfully, IMO it keeps me on the edge where other planes make me more lazy.

    unlike others i dont go "very" high, i use to stay at medium alts and mix it up with 190s, you be surprised how good a Jug turns above 450kph, i can turn with any 190, even the Dora and when meeting 109s just make high speed snap shots and when things get hot just dive down with 70-80% prop pitch and you outdive anything from 4k or higher and dont be afraid to go over speeds of 850kph IAS

    The jug is a very rewarding plane, be easy with the controls keep the speed up and use those 8 .50cals fully so dont be afraid to spray a little more from further away to make some early hits to make it easier in finishing off 109s

    ive got my MG's conv. set to 200m/inner 300m/ outer because my aim is good enough and i always take extra ammo with me.

    now i wish some more people would fly it because when on servers like WC maybe 1, 2 sometimes
    3 guys fly it on a full 40 player server
    which is sad because the P47 is one of the best team planes and can rage havoc when properly flown together
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    Sounds like Sunburst and I have similar styles. I'm not always hanging around 9000m either, and as long as one has the energy, one can get right in there with a Spit or Zero low on energy and turn with them for a short period. The trick is to recognize ahead of time that your going to lose your advantage, and bug out while they're still burning energy to get on your six.

    My pitch curve at the moment. Bear in mind I'm using a TM Top Gun Afterburner, which has a shorter throw than an X-45, for example.

    <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">3 9 16 23 32 43 55 69 83 100</pre>

    I've had steeper curves in the past, shallower at the bottom and extreme at the top, but this lets my fly my Jug and others without having to change it. My roll also starts a little slow, mostly for the times I find myself in a FW.

    With a good head of steam, not many fighters can catch you, especially if you start a slight high speed climb near your top speed. You'll have to hold your stick forward to do these shallow climbs, unless you've put a lot of nose down trim, which I don't recommend. The only trim I put is to counter torque at high power, high speed settings, to keep my wings level, and nose centered. I don't touch my elevator trim as a general rule unless I've got a full load of bombs, then I trim as before and give 3 clicks nose up, and let her climb natuarally from there.

    You can get a faster alt gain by making her climb, but if your lone wulfing, this leaves you with no energy to fight with if someone catches you. So I trim for level wings and centered nose and let her have her head. She'll settle into a nice, steady climb with decent forward speed so you have the energy to fight with if the enemy pounces.

    I do my convergence slighty different, and perhaps I'm thinking too much, but I have the inner set @ 250m, and the outer @ 200m. This seems to give a "thicker" grouping before the two sets meet. If there's a lot of ground targets or heavy bombers, I might bump that out to 250 and 300.
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    Cajun, I never told you why I broke off from our dual. On my last attack you extended and climbed. That time you gained a lot of distance. Thinking that my fuel must be getting a little low I took a quick look at the gauge. I sad to myself, one more attack but it has got to be good. No sooner I throttled up I was out of fuel. The K4 isn't exactly fuel efficient.

    I thought "Great, stuck way up here with Cajun and his 10 ton flying tank and I'm out of fuel". There's no running away from a Jug when I don't have fuel. Then came the funny part; you were still extending and almost out of sight.

    I quickly turned away and headed for base. I don't know how far you extended but I think you must have ended up in another server.

    Anyways, it was a good tactical fight.

    Thanks to all the advice you guys have given. One thing I've noticed is that a P-47 pilot is an P-47 expert. You guyz remind me of 190 pilots. Anyone who sticks with these planes gets to know them quite well.

    I'm inspired to power-up the old pc and fly a jug. The old pc has a positive aspect; coffee break between frames.

    Fritz
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    I fly the jug any opportunity I get and also prefer the D-27. The D-10 is awesome in historically accurate planesets, but the '27 is still my fav.

    The biggest key (for me) has been to maintain good airspeed. The D-27 can maintain seperation from almost any prop-bird in the game as long as you have even a little alt. It doesn't accelerate as fast as some of the later Axis rides, but most will give up the chase long before they become a threat if you go into a 10 degree shallow dive and manage the trim correctly. She's quite fast in the right hands.


    TB
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