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    What a load of ****ing crap lol. This oil spill could be putting upto 3.4 million gallons a DAY into the ocean not 22 million per year. Even if that's true.

    Neither does nature mix oil with dispersants that have actually acted to keep the oil deep down in the ocean.

    ******ed neocons I swear. I mean, seriously how can you be so stupid as to A) Write that article and actually believe it B) Post it and believe it?
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    Originally posted by Aimail101:
    What a load of ****ing crap lol. This oil spill could be putting upto 3.4 million gallons a DAY into the ocean not 22 million per year. Even if that's true.

    Neither does nature mix oil with dispersants that have actually acted to keep the oil deep down in the ocean.

    ****ing ******ed neocons I swear. I mean, seriously how can you be so stupid as to A) Write that article and actually believe it B) Post it and believe it?
    Indeed. But these people cannot be reasoned with or educated.

    Thankfully the base of the neo-con movement will die with the Boomers. Maybe then society can get back on track.
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    Originally posted by GoToAway:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
    What a load of ****ing crap lol. This oil spill could be putting upto 3.4 million gallons a DAY into the ocean not 22 million per year. Even if that's true.

    Neither does nature mix oil with dispersants that have actually acted to keep the oil deep down in the ocean.

    ****ing ******ed neocons I swear. I mean, seriously how can you be so stupid as to A) Write that article and actually believe it B) Post it and believe it?
    Indeed. But these people cannot be reasoned with or educated.

    Thankfully the base of the neo-con movement will die with the Boomers. Maybe then society can get back on track. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Apparently Agent Orange never caused babies to be born deformed either and DDT is actually good for the environment.
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    Originally posted by Aimail101:
    Apparently Agent Orange never caused babies to be born deformed either and DDT is actually good for the environment.
    But DDT is harmless.
    Rush showed me these pictures:




    See? Why would a corporation ever be dishonest about the effects of its products? This is a capitalist society. The concept of corporate dishonesty and recklessness is nothing but commie propaganda!
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    Originally posted by GoToAway:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
    Apparently Agent Orange never caused babies to be born deformed either and DDT is actually good for the environment.
    But DDT is harmless.
    Rush showed me these pictures:




    See? Why would a corporation ever be dishonest about the effects of its products? This is a capitalist society. The concept of corporate dishonesty and recklessness is nothing but commie propaganda! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    why do people always believe big corporations are not out for their best interests. Of course they are.

    I heard it on a exxon ad! GE Too!
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    Despite the knee-jerking and predictable straw-man arguments, this is a "neocon" plot?

    Oil that finds its way to the surface from natural seeps gets broken down by bacteria and ends up as carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas. So knowing the amount of fossil fuel that turns to carbon dioxide naturally is important for understanding how much humans may be changing the climate by burning oil and gas.
    No one is saying that this isn't a disaster, but there are almost (iirc) 4000 rigs in the Gulf, and it's been how long since a major spill?

    So despite the sky-is-falling hand wringing, this shouldn't be an excuse put a choke hold on the industry. Learn from it, stop the panicking, and move on.
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    Originally posted by Cajun76:
    Despite the knee-jerking and predictable straw-man arguments, this is a "neocon" plot?

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Oil that finds its way to the surface from natural seeps gets broken down by bacteria and ends up as carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas. So knowing the amount of fossil fuel that turns to carbon dioxide naturally is important for understanding how much humans may be changing the climate by burning oil and gas.
    No one is saying that this isn't a disaster, but there are almost (iirc) 4000 rigs in the Gulf, and it's been how long since a major spill?

    So despite the sky-is-falling hand wringing, this shouldn't be an excuse put a choke hold on the industry. Learn from it, stop the panicking, and move on. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'm going to make an educated guess here, but I'm guessing the reason that is. Is that the last administration surprisingly, took protocol seriously.

    I could be entirely wrong of course. But yes your right, 4000 rigs and the amount of accidents they have is pretty impressive.
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    There is a large difference between over "22 million gallons per year" of natural seepage which is released a little at a time and spread out over the whole of the gulf, and anywhere from 1-5 million gallons a day released in one spot constantly for the last month. Seepage is in drips and drops, here is what this oil "spill" looks like. Bacteria are not capable of handling this.


    I do agree though that track record is overall pretty good. Though US safety standards for off-shore drilling are behind Europe, the US does not require the use of an Acoustic Blowout Vavle which may have prevented this disaster.
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    Originally posted by Outlaw---:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by heywooood:
    in the 21st century - a truly 'first world country' (whatever the f*ck that is) should be done with oil and coal...
    Feel free to explain how this is possible.

    --Outlaw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    the availability of highly efficient alternative fuel vehicles has been preempted by big oil.

    a smart solar energy grid in the entire Southwestern US has been preempted by big oil..

    if either of these programs had been allowed to begin after the first oil embargo in the early 70's - we would not be having this conversation or argument or what have you.

    big oil has stifled every move - even on the grass roots level, with huge political and advertising campaigns - to attain alternative fuel sources and entrepreneurial development as well as lobbied successfully to prevent government programs like the EV1 from getting off the ground against the will, the health and the welfare of the American people - unless you think these exhaust emissions and fuel vapors, and oil spills are healthy for you...like cigarette smoking was purported to be by big tobacco back in the day.

    yes just listen to the big mechanical machinery of organized corporate interests that would poison the globe entirely - Sea, Air, and Land...until there is nothing left - all the while telling you that they are just like nature or no worse than nature (or whatever the hell they're telling you republican morons) while time keeps ticking by

    We are more than halfway there already...way past 'bingo fuel' and the point of no return even if we could get massive smart technology programs up and installed immediately - the fact is it is too late already.

    One or two more volcanic eruptions or hurricane seasons will not only topple this weak global economy (now a secondary concern) but when piled on top of the garbage we are dumping worldwide, we now are at greater risk of changing those kinds of natural incidents from manageable to catastrophic.

    feel free to explain why you would resist the necessary energy adaptations we have needed to make for so long as our dependence on foreign oil has led to two gulf wars and the loss of so many soldiers lives (and you are disqualified if you try to mention WMD's or any of that other bush horsesh*t)

    Do you like to give billions of dollars for weapons and ammunition on a weekly basis to ones who would cut off your head given the chance?
    That is somehow more acceptable than using public transit, light rail, electric cars, solar power augmented homes, and riding a damn bike once in a while?
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