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    Well, with local governments hard pressed for revenue they have been more then open about being ridiculous enforcing finable laws. IOW, wherein there used to be a 3-5mph buffer either way, they decided they'd forgo that and if it says 65 it is 65, the end SIMPLY to make more money (and will not accept valid arguments of tire sizes, inaccuracies in speedometers, etc.).

    However......

    If you're the LAST in line, you have the option of NOT running over the limit...In fact it could be argued you were pushing the rest to the higher speed.

    Call it government greed, the ticket lottery, your turn or bad karma.....Yet in the end unlike the car in front it was your "choice".

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    Originally posted by GoToAway:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
    True dat. I can assure you that this behaviour isn't limited to within US borders, though.
    Especially the poorer states of Germany will have speedtraps hidden at lucrative spots, as opposed to placing them at places of danger.
    I've noticed the same thing, and it's ridiculous.


    I'd really like to see the police divorced from traffic enforcement. There should be a separate entity that handles it. Police have more important things to deal with, and besides, I would imagine that giving people power and then turning them lose on an incredibly tedious job has unintended social consequences. Not only are they encouraged to wield that power excessively (through quotas, sheer boredom, etc.,) it puts them into an adversarial role with the very people they're supposed to be serving.


    Of course, if anything, I'm sure the British nanny state model will be adopted here: traffic cameras every 20 feet or so. That way the state can be absolutely certain to fine you every time you are 1 over the speed limit. The roads will be so much safer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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    Originally posted by LEBillfish:
    If you're the LAST in line, you have the option of NOT running over the limit...In fact it could be argued you were pushing the rest to the higher speed.

    Call it government greed, the ticket lottery, your turn or bad karma.....Yet in the end unlike the car in front it was your "choice".

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    Yes, my act of staying three car lengths behind the guy in front of me was unquestionably causing the guy 8 cars ahead of him to set the pace on the road. I was tailgating him by eight levels of proxy.

    Besides, you always have the option to slow down. When somebody tailgates me and I'm not comfortable with the idea of going 55 in a 35, I simply don't.
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    Originally posted by stalkervision:
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    I don't make a habit of speeding. If traffic is going a certain speed, I'll stay with that speed so as not to cause a hazard on the road.

    But if it's open, I generally stay pretty close to the limit. Not because I want to, but because I know that big brother is just waiting for an opportunity to reach into my wallet.
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    The US highway-system has always been a mystery to me.
    There are highways, freeways and interstates.

    So, basically (let's see if I get that right...) the highways are inter-county roads with speed-limits above those within towns.
    Interstates are highways that cross one or more inter-state borders.
    Freeways are multi-lane roads with generally higher speeds than on highways - usually found in metropolitan areas.

    What are the general speed-limits on those roads? Would be nice for the sake of caomparison...

    In Germany it's 50km/h (31mph) within towns, 100km/h (61mph) outside and unlimited (but at least 61km/h (37mph) unless unable for other reasons, such as dangerous weather or traffic-jams) on the Autobahn - that's unless there's a temporary speed-limit, of course.
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    Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
    So, basically (let's see if I get that right...) the highways are inter-county roads with speed-limits above those within towns.
    Interstates are highways that cross one or more inter-state borders.
    Freeways are multi-lane roads with generally higher speeds than on highways - usually found in metropolitan areas.
    Highways are generally numbered routes that sometimes (but not always) have higher speed limits than local roads. US-7, US-202, etc. are highways. But they also run right through cities and towns, so they're low speed there. They pass through multiple states, but aren't interstates (I can follow US-7 up to the Canadian border, for example.) Speed limits vary from 25 to 55 depending upon where you are.

    Freeway and interstate are pretty interchangeable in colloquial speech (at least around here.) Generally, it refers to one of the I roads (I-95, I-91, etc.) They're multi-lane divided roads with onramps and offramps. The speed limit is generally 65, but there are sections where it varies.

    People also routinely call the interstates "highways." It's safe to assume that an American talking about a highway or freeway is actually talking about an interstate. If they're talking about a state highway or US highway, they'll usually just call it "US-XXX" or "route XXX."
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    Originally posted by GoToAway:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
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    I don't make a habit of speeding. If traffic is going a certain speed, I'll stay with that speed so as not to cause a hazard on the road.

    But if it's open, I generally stay pretty close to the limit. Not because I want to, but because I know that big brother is just waiting for an opportunity to reach into my wallet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I actually don't either anymore buddy. I once did and was quite good at it.

    The game is more and more rigged in the police's favor. IMO it's just not worth it anymore.

    Now I use a detector just as general protection when I go over the speed limit a bit and a cop is waiting and hiding out in a speed reduced area to fill his quota .
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    Of course, if anything, I'm sure the British nanny state model will be adopted here: traffic cameras every 20 feet or so. That way the state can be absolutely certain to fine you every time you are 1 over the speed limit. The roads will be so much safer.
    In fact they are in decline with some counties giving up fixed camera use entirely and if you think our state could have afforded to put a camera every 20ft you must have it muddled with one that has some money.

    At the end of the day though it still tickles me when people get caught breaking the law and then moan it was someone else's fault.
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    Originally posted by GoToAway:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
    If you're the LAST in line, you have the option of NOT running over the limit...In fact it could be argued you were pushing the rest to the higher speed.

    Call it government greed, the ticket lottery, your turn or bad karma.....Yet in the end unlike the car in front it was your "choice".

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    Yes, my act of staying three car lengths behind the guy in front of me was unquestionably causing the guy 8 cars ahead of him to set the pace on the road. I was tailgating him by eight levels of proxy.

    Besides, you always have the option to slow down. When somebody tailgates me and I'm not comfortable with the idea of going 55 in a 35, I simply don't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


    Well you can argue you wern't pushing them all you want, yet fact of the matter is if you were last in line you didn't have to speed.....Simple enough to run the limit at which point the cop passes you and takes the last in that line again.

    Though I appreciate your run of bad luck, and realize the cops aren't as flexible as they used to be....You made the choice.

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    Originally posted by LEBillfish:
    Though I appreciate your run of bad luck, and realize the cops aren't as flexible as they used to be....You made the choice.

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    I never said otherwise.

    I was going above the posted limit and never debated that.

    My contention is that the cop was being a bit of a **** through his selective enforcement. He didn't stop me because I was any worse than the other dozens of drivers that passed him in the span that he was waiting there. He did so because I was the easiest to pull over and he had a quota to meet.

    I don't deny that what I was doing violates the letter of the law.
    But it was precisely the same thing that everyone else was doing on the road that night (and every night) as well.
    And the cop was well aware of that.
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