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    At the moment there is no single engined commonwealth fighter running with late war boosts and the P51B is also limited to early 1944 bosts. An easy option for adding late 1944/early 1945 plane support to the game would be to allow +25 boost for both these aircraft. No 3D modelling would be required and only probably relatively small changes to the flight model to elicit the additional performance.
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    At the moment there is no single engined commonwealth fighter running with late war boosts and the P51B is also limited to early 1944 bosts. An easy option for adding late 1944/early 1945 plane support to the game would be to allow +25 boost for both these aircraft. No 3D modelling would be required and only probably relatively small changes to the flight model to elicit the additional performance.
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    just out of interest:
    what would be the performance differnce ?

    nevertheless:
    Making the P-51D-20NA making a Late44 plane with higher boost (good differnece than to P-51D-5NT with lower boost)
    & Spitfire Mk.IXe in total also (leaving the SpitIXc at lower boost)
    would be a great idea

    also adding some performance differences in all that Corsairs and the two Hellcats would be nice ( if there where any )
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    Boosting the Mustang III/P-51B from +18 lbs to +25 lbs boost would raise its sea level speed to ~395 mph/636 kph with wing racks, and 403 mph/649 kph without. Climb and acceleration would also increase fairly dramatically, especially at 25-50% fuel.

    It bears saying that by early 1945, 18 or so RAF squadrons were so equipped. By the late summer/early fall of '44 200-250 squadron-service Mustang III's were flying at these boost levels with that number increasing to 300-350 examples flying by late winter '45.

    Spitfire LF IXC/E's would reach ~360 mph/580 kph at sea level at the same boost levels. The LF IX's already excellent climb rates become truly phenomenal at these boost levels. By the end of '44 ADGB/2nd TAF had 30+ squadrons flying at +25 lbs boost.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
    just out of interest:
    what would be the performance differnce ?

    nevertheless:
    Making the P-51D-20NA making a Late44 plane with higher boost (good differnece than to P-51D-5NT with lower boost)
    & Spitfire Mk.IXe in total also (leaving the SpitIXc at lower boost)
    would be a great idea

    also adding some performance differences in all that Corsairs and the two Hellcats would be nice ( if there where any ) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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    wow

    so , ading/changing boosted planes like:

    Spitfire LF.MkIXc 1943 (18 boost )
    Spitfire LF.MkIXc CW 1943 (18 boost )
    Spitfire LF.MkIXe late1944 (25 boost )
    Spitfire LF.MkIXe CW late1944 (25 boost )

    P-51B 1943 (18 boost)
    P-51C late1944 (25 boost)
    P-51D-5-NT 1944 (18 boost)
    P-51D-20-NA late1944 (25 boost)


    would be a very nice Merlin60 series planefamilie
    and would ad more differences betwenn the planes.
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    I'm all for it, good luck gentlemen on getting this incorporated into the sim. Seems very reasonable and would add more realism to the various models of aircraft.
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    That'd be really nice for sure. That'd give us a little more to work with on online scenarios.

    I noticed last night on a UK-Dedicated map where you had the Bf-109K-4 and FW190A-9 and D-9 against Spitfire IXe, P-51D-20, and P-47/P-38/etc that the Spitfir IXe was simply not upto the task of defeating the opponents. Obviously it has advantages and well flown it can beat the opponent (the pilot counts!) but if it got into a fight it was simply unable to disengage like a P-47 or P-51 could because it was simply too slow in comparison to the very fast 109K-4 and 190D-9. Which is why you can see the IX/XVI during late 1944/1945 invasion of Germany period being relegated to the 2nd TAF for bombing runs while the XIV and Tempest V were pushed to the frontline.

    Adding an extra boost on the IXe would certainly help redress the situation...but not completely. Obviously the addition of the Tempest V or a Spitfire XIV would help.
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    I'm sure SkyChimp could probably add details of possible higher boost P47D versions. I am not sure what boost the P47Ds are currently running at in the sim (or if the gauges are showing the right levels). This may go some way to having the power of the P47M without requiring a new 3D model.

    Higher boost for the P51 for US forces would also be appropriate.

    It's a relatively low cost change to make (no 3D modelling) so I think this is a realistic target with regards to asking Oleg if it could be included.
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    Without doubt the +25 lbs Spitfires should be added and almost certainly the +25 lbs Mustangs, as well.

    The +25 lbs/80" hg Mustangs, while common, were in the minority when compared to the +20 lbs/72" USAAF Mustangs standard after June '44. Basically, after mid-summer of '44, there were somewhere between 3 and 4 +20 lbs USAAF Mustangs for every +25 lbs RAF Mustang. For PF, +25 lbs P-51D's also appear to appropriate from early April 1945 'til end of war.

    Currently, it appears that the AEP/PF P-51D's sea level speed is modeled either on the upper end of the +18 lbs range or the lower end of the +20 lbs, while the P-51C is simply too slow at all altitudes. The Object Viewer claims that the P-51C features the V-1650-7 engine which should make it 2-3 mph faster than the P-51D at all altitudes and that simply is not the case.

    The challenge, primarily online, would be to balance out the number of +25 lbs Mustangs vs. the more common +18/+20 lbs versions. Having said that, the plethora of Ta-152's, F4U-1C's and super Ki-84's online doesn't seem to bother anyone, so I think +25 lbs Mustangs would certainly be appropriate!

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
    wow

    so , ading/changing boosted planes like:

    Spitfire LF.MkIXc 1943 (18 boost )
    Spitfire LF.MkIXc CW 1943 (18 boost )
    Spitfire LF.MkIXe late1944 (25 boost )
    Spitfire LF.MkIXe CW late1944 (25 boost )

    P-51B 1943 (18 boost)
    P-51C late1944 (25 boost)
    P-51D-5-NT 1944 (18 boost)
    P-51D-20-NA late1944 (25 boost)


    would be a very nice Merlin60 series planefamilie
    and would ad more differences betwenn the planes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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